"Heck, the whole reason why Patton wanted to get to Berlin before the British was so that Montgomery wouldn't surrender to the Germans."

You honestly thought that was serious?  You don't have to know me to know my sense of humor, you just have to read that in order to see how ludicrous and over the top it is!

You'd have to be thick to think it wasn't a joke or at the very least question if it was meant as a joke.  

To go all pedantic...OK.

As for what you said, Churchill didn't have any real say in the matter other than as an advisor.  The decision on how to proceed militarily was in the hands of General Eisenhower as he was the Supreme Commander.  The only person who had greater control would have been President Franklin Roosevelt, who as President was Commander in Chief of the US Military.  So what Churchill thought and whether or not Patton agreed with it mattered very little.  Patton agreed with Churchill because Patton believed it was militarily important for someone other than the Russians to get to Berlin first.  He agreed with Churchill because with his all, he believed the Russians to be dangerous.  In fact, for Patton to concede such a prize to Montgomery who was Patton's rival throughout the US involvement in the war, demonstrates how important Patton felt about it.

I'm not expanding on what you copied from Wikipedia, I'm putting it into context.

Well... need to ask some native lads here in UK on how they actually do feel about the game.

I'll concede.  Although, I made no statement to what won the Battle of France other than what lost it was French ineptitude.

Is this a parody of what Muslims do?

Another schoolyard dig?  Not only do I not share my nations natural ability to detect sarcasm and show grammatical naivete I'm also thick. I'll apologise for not realising you was being sarcastic but I won't apologise for calling you out on your overly aggressive and chidlish attitude.

I agree with you totally on the the situation regarding the final push to Berlin, Churchill was just a figurehead at that time, a fact that sent him into numerous bouts of depression, and you're right that one of the reasons why Patten wanted Montgomery to get there was because he was only a few days away and might have beaten the russians to it, I've never said anything contrary to that, so I don't understand the need for you to post it twice.

I'm also not entirely sure why you persist with this belief that I quoted from Wiki when I just told you I didn't, If you drop the condescending attitude I'll give you links of the various sites and books I've read. 

While this goes off-topic; It is indeed still debatable.

In the first World War the Americans were barely involved, and the war only ended because Austria didn't want to go on anymore leaving Germany in the dark, who were then forced to ceasefire because they were beginning to get internal problems.

World War II was 100% a group effort, if one of the three 'main allies' (Russia, US or Britain) would have fallen out things likely would have gone quite differently. Even still, looking at the total number of casualties, the allied victory could be called pyrrhic at best.

And the Cold War wasn't even a real war, they were just badmouthing each other.

On the other hand, it's about time we have a game with a Native American protagonist holding a mirror to the Revolutionary War, reflecting everything good and bad that happened during the time period.

^What always cracked me up is everyone's condescension towards French in relation to Nazi's French campaign of 1940 :D (especially packed in rhetorics of saving someone from someone, sure) They got owned pretty damn hard, no denial, but how on earth it makes other forces performance, which accounted if my memory serves me right for like 1/3 of entire allied forces (at least personel-wise), during German invasion any better? That includes British forces, who had no other choice but to be proud of goddamn Dunkirk :D (as if there was smth to choose from).

//And if I remember ir right it was PzKpfw II after all, which was the biggest contributor to tank forces of Germans at the time. Given it's production run it must be early models with 2 cm KwK, so yes, so much for German "superiority". That's pathetic (apparently not for Germans, as they've managed to achieve a lot with this). So French tanks maybe suck, but doesn't make anyone's else engineering school in this regard look any better in comparison. At least French were capable of constructing of FT17 during WW1 :D What, say, Brits did?

Again, what was topic about? British people are offended? I have no problems with Brits being offended.

All the WW2 talk in this thread yet no one gives a shit about the WWII Thread that I made... Makes me kind of sad.  I believe this is the second time FattyDingDong made a thread that got more responses related to WW2 than my thread.

Link? I'll gladly participate and make everyone hates me... once again.