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Ssenkahdavic on 27 October 2012
kowenicki said:
hunter_alien said:
kowenicki said:
hunter_alien said:
Argh_College said:
Slimebeast said:
kowenicki said:
Its going to be a success. The people that said this would be a huge flop couldn't have been more wrong. Imagine how well all the Windows 8 tablets combined are going to do in general this holidays and during 2013.

I still believe it's going to be a huge flop.

I know it's hard, but what would you consider a success? 5% of marketshare in the first year? 10%? 20%?

I believe less than 5% first year marketshare for all Windows tablets and at the end of 2013 there will be no signifcant growth of that marketshare and analysists will have declared it as a flop and MS will have lost money on this expensive adventure.

You are funny but your place shouldnt be in a videogames forum...

HAHAHA


Is that all your argument? I mean you didnt write in this thread nothing, except LOL, ROFL and everything inbetween that makes absolutly no sense. Do you have... uhm... metal issues?

 

Its a nice line, but im with Slime on this one. MS will be kicked out HARD from the tablet business. The device is waaay to expensive, barely has any apps, and it just does not have the "coolness" of an apple product. Wait for the iPad 4 and Mini, and the Surface will be forgotten by december

and windows 8 tabs in general?


Of course more manufacurers=more sales, but I doubt that even in general they will make any dent in Apples dominance. I mean Windows is to much for a tablet IMO. Thats why the iOS is so popular and to some small extent Android-based tabs. It might gather some starting momentum, and maybe even sell decent numbers this holiday season, but as a whole Im not seeing it doing any real damage.

When it comes to tablets I doubt that Windos 8 based tablets will ever go even near 10% market share, and for a couple of years that percentage will be non-profitable number wise. This is one race where MS came way to late with way to little, and lets hope for their sake, that the PC market wont transform entirely into a touchbased one, because then they might have some issues in the longrun.


I am staggered at the lack of joined up thinking on this by some people in this thread.   The enterprise take up alone will drive sales elsewhere.

Do people not realise how utterly dominant MS is in the enterprise sector?


Yep.   That alone gets them well over that 5% mark.  How many companies who were on the ropes about getting their employees tablets, might now with a MS tab?   Especially with Glass.



 

  

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smbu2000 on 27 October 2012
superchunk said:

Apple won't change its pricing model. Just look at the iPad Mini that was intended to compete against the Nexus7. Its nearly twice as much with less features and lower quality screen, the most important piece of the tablet.

Android is now around 40-45% of the tablet market, almost entirely due to the Kindle Fire and Nexus 7. This year Nexus7 is upgrading its storage (doubling) at the same price points. Additionally a Nexus10 is launching and will also be priced very aggresively, I'm thinking it will start at $300 which is cheaper than the iPad Mini. It will again blow away the specs of the iPad3 just as Nexus7 does for iPad Mini.

Next year this time Android tablets, Fire, Nexus 7 and 10, Note 10.7, and a few of the others like Asus lineup will together have a greater than 50% share of the tablet market and iPad will no longer be the king.

However, if RT is good and has good word of mouth, this initially very good interest in the Surface tablets will result in a very good increase of MS marketshare. It should also have a direct positive effect on winphone.

It should be interesting to watch.

Is the Nexus screen really that good?

http://www.displaymate.com/Tablet_7inch_ShootOut_1.htm

Factory Display Calibration:

The raw LCD panel hardware first needs to be adjusted and calibrated at the factory with specialized firmware and software data that are downloaded into the device in order for the display to produce a usable image – let alone an accurate and beautiful one. This is actually a science but most manufacturers seem to treat it as if it were a modern art form, so few Tablets, Smartphones, and even HDTVs produce accurate high quality images. Apple does a virtually perfect Factory Calibration for the new iPad, and Amazon has done an excellent Factory Calibration for the Kindle Fire HD. It is probably more accurate with better color than any display you own.

On the other hand, the Factory Display Calibration on the Nexus 7 was severely botched, which significantly degrades its picture quality. In spite of its good Color Gamut, colors and contrast are washed out due to a compressed, convex, and irregular Intensity Scale (sometimes called the Gray Scale). Bright images look like over exposed photographs. We have discussed this in more detail in this Display News article – also see Figure 3 below for more information.

Conclusion:

The Nexus 7 actually has an LCD display that is similar in performance to the Kindle Fire HD, but a poor (and sloppy) Factory Calibration has degraded its native panel performance. Depending on the display firmware this may or may not be correctable with a software update. A second problem is a bug that causes a 15 percent erratic variation in screen Brightness, sometimes bringing the Nexus 7 Maximum Brightness down to almost 300 cd/m2, which we classify as Poor for Maximum Brightness.




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hunter_alien on 27 October 2012
kowenicki said:
hunter_alien said:
kowenicki said:
hunter_alien said:
Argh_College said:
Slimebeast said:
kowenicki said:
Its going to be a success. The people that said this would be a huge flop couldn't have been more wrong. Imagine how well all the Windows 8 tablets combined are going to do in general this holidays and during 2013.

I still believe it's going to be a huge flop.

I know it's hard, but what would you consider a success? 5% of marketshare in the first year? 10%? 20%?

I believe less than 5% first year marketshare for all Windows tablets and at the end of 2013 there will be no signifcant growth of that marketshare and analysists will have declared it as a flop and MS will have lost money on this expensive adventure.

You are funny but your place shouldnt be in a videogames forum...

HAHAHA


Is that all your argument? I mean you didnt write in this thread nothing, except LOL, ROFL and everything inbetween that makes absolutly no sense. Do you have... uhm... metal issues?

 

Its a nice line, but im with Slime on this one. MS will be kicked out HARD from the tablet business. The device is waaay to expensive, barely has any apps, and it just does not have the "coolness" of an apple product. Wait for the iPad 4 and Mini, and the Surface will be forgotten by december

and windows 8 tabs in general?


Of course more manufacurers=more sales, but I doubt that even in general they will make any dent in Apples dominance. I mean Windows is to much for a tablet IMO. Thats why the iOS is so popular and to some small extent Android-based tabs. It might gather some starting momentum, and maybe even sell decent numbers this holiday season, but as a whole Im not seeing it doing any real damage.

When it comes to tablets I doubt that Windos 8 based tablets will ever go even near 10% market share, and for a couple of years that percentage will be non-profitable number wise. This is one race where MS came way to late with way to little, and lets hope for their sake, that the PC market wont transform entirely into a touchbased one, because then they might have some issues in the longrun.


I am staggered at the lack of joined up thinking on this by some people in this thread.   The enterprise take up alone will drive sales elsewhere.

Do people not realise how utterly dominant MS is in the enterprise sector?


True. But at the moment its not the enterprise sector that is driving the tablet market, and it wont for some time. The thing is that the enterprise market itself is changing, and Apple could easily fit the bill with its tablets, IF it makes a few key modifications. The issue is that the enterprise sector does not NEED a tablet right now. For the same price you can buy a far more usefull ultrabook.

The real battle is for the media consumer, and thats a battle that MS will loose in the tablet war. Again, this is just my opinion, and my take on the tablet war, nobody should take it personally. I have nothing to gain or loose from this, maybe I will buy a cheap one couple of years down the road.

PS: can we report people for acting like idiots? Is that a bannable offense?



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hunter_alien on 27 October 2012
pezus said:
hunter_alien said:
kowenicki said:

and windows 8 tabs in general?


Of course more manufacurers=more sales, but I doubt that even in general they will make any dent in Apples dominance. I mean Windows is to much for a tablet IMO. Thats why the iOS is so popular and to some small extent Android-based tabs. It might gather some starting momentum, and maybe even sell decent numbers this holiday season, but as a whole Im not seeing it doing any real damage.

When it comes to tablets I doubt that Windos 8 based tablets will ever go even near 10% market share, and for a couple of years that percentage will be non-profitable number wise. This is one race where MS came way to late with way to little, and lets hope for their sake, that the PC market wont transform entirely into a touchbased one, because then they might have some issues in the longrun.

That will never happen. Mouse+Keyboard>>>touch screen for most things. Touch-screen add-ons are cool, but that's what they should be, just add ons and not a replacement.


Well I hope so to, but allas, I never liked the idea of tablets, yet they still became popular



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selnor on 27 October 2012
mantlepiecek said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
I wonder why I knew this was a selnor thread only by reading the thread title.

Anyways, astonishing, considering that so far I haven't read a single positive review, only mixed ones.
But I guess with a marketing budget of 1,5 - 1,8 billion dollars like that for Windows 8 and surface, one could even make people stand in line for poop. Reminds me of the Windows 95 release, where the marketing campaign was so massive and successful that even people who didn't even own a computer and didn't intend to buy one went out to buy Windows 95.
And that was a 200 million marketing campaign.


Probably because it is related to microsoft and he tends to over exaggerate everything related to MS in the title and OP.


In the same way amost all users over exaggerate Sony poroducts and games on VGC?



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mantlepiecek on 27 October 2012
selnor said:
mantlepiecek said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
I wonder why I knew this was a selnor thread only by reading the thread title.

Anyways, astonishing, considering that so far I haven't read a single positive review, only mixed ones.
But I guess with a marketing budget of 1,5 - 1,8 billion dollars like that for Windows 8 and surface, one could even make people stand in line for poop. Reminds me of the Windows 95 release, where the marketing campaign was so massive and successful that even people who didn't even own a computer and didn't intend to buy one went out to buy Windows 95.
And that was a 200 million marketing campaign.


Probably because it is related to microsoft and he tends to over exaggerate everything related to MS in the title and OP.


In the same way amost all users over exaggerate Sony poroducts and games on VGC?

Well, at least you aknowledge your over-exaggeration. Now your other statement is just false about everyone else exaggerating "sony" products in this forums. There are few such people. And sony isn't the only other thing exaggerated, nintendo is exaggerated as well.



mantlepiecek on 27 October 2012
kowenicki said:
selnor said:
mantlepiecek said:


Probably because it is related to microsoft and he tends to over exaggerate everything related to MS in the title and OP.


In the same way amost all users over exaggerate Sony poroducts and games on VGC?


Its pointles Selnor.  Im done here, its a Sony love in.   N4G eat your heart out. 

You are getting upset for no reason.



superchunk on 27 October 2012
smbu2000 said:
superchunk said:
 

Apple won't change its pricing model. Just look at the iPad Mini that was intended to compete against the Nexus7. Its nearly twice as much with less features and lower quality screen, the most important piece of the tablet.

Android is now around 40-45% of the tablet market, almost entirely due to the Kindle Fire and Nexus 7. This year Nexus7 is upgrading its storage (doubling) at the same price points. Additionally a Nexus10 is launching and will also be priced very aggresively, I'm thinking it will start at $300 which is cheaper than the iPad Mini. It will again blow away the specs of the iPad3 just as Nexus7 does for iPad Mini.

Next year this time Android tablets, Fire, Nexus 7 and 10, Note 10.7, and a few of the others like Asus lineup will together have a greater than 50% share of the tablet market and iPad will no longer be the king.

However, if RT is good and has good word of mouth, this initially very good interest in the Surface tablets will result in a very good increase of MS marketshare. It should also have a direct positive effect on winphone.

It should be interesting to watch.

Is the Nexus screen really that good?

http://www.displaymate.com/Tablet_7inch_ShootOut_1.htm

Factory Display Calibration:

The raw LCD panel hardware first needs to be adjusted and calibrated at the factory with specialized firmware and software data that are downloaded into the device in order for the display to produce a usable image – let alone an accurate and beautiful one. This is actually a science but most manufacturers seem to treat it as if it were a modern art form, so few Tablets, Smartphones, and even HDTVs produce accurate high quality images. Apple does a virtually perfect Factory Calibration for the new iPad, and Amazon has done an excellent Factory Calibration for the Kindle Fire HD. It is probably more accurate with better color than any display you own.

On the other hand, the Factory Display Calibration on the Nexus 7 was severely botched, which significantly degrades its picture quality. In spite of its good Color Gamut, colors and contrast are washed out due to a compressed, convex, and irregular Intensity Scale (sometimes called the Gray Scale). Bright images look like over exposed photographs. We have discussed this in more detail in this Display News article – also see Figure 3 below for more information.

Conclusion:

The Nexus 7 actually has an LCD display that is similar in performance to the Kindle Fire HD, but a poor (and sloppy) Factory Calibration has degraded its native panel performance. Depending on the display firmware this may or may not be correctable with a software update. A second problem is a bug that causes a 15 percent erratic variation in screen Brightness, sometimes bringing the Nexus 7 Maximum Brightness down to almost 300 cd/m2, which we classify as Poor for Maximum Brightness.

Its still better than the iPad Mini screen. All this suggests is that Kindle Fire HD has the best screen of the 7"ish tablets. However, Mr Fire has the worst overall OS setup as its a gimped Android 3.x (hint, the ipad screen this article is referring to is the iPad3 retina display... the ipad mini does not use that display, it doesn't even use a retina display at all)



smbu2000 on 27 October 2012
superchunk said:

Its still better than the iPad Mini screen. All this suggests is that Kindle Fire HD has the best screen of the 7"ish tablets. However, Mr Fire has the worst overall OS setup as its a gimped Android 3.x (hint, the ipad screen this article is referring to is the iPad3 retina display... the ipad mini does not use that display, it doesn't even use a retina display at all)

It might have a slightly higher resolution and higher ppi, but you can't really call it better than the mini yet as nobody has had a chance to test it out yet. (The mini is still an unreleased product.) The author of the article states that they will test the mini display once it has been released. It could be better or it could be worse.




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Rafux on 27 October 2012

Why the surprise? Its a middle ground between a laptop and a table, its a sure winner.

Reviews have been lukewarm but I think there's too much Apple heads doing the reviews.