PETA is against it.

http://www.peta.org/b/thepetafiles/archive/tags/hunting/default.aspx

I'll have to look into that. I'm would think their motives go much deeper than merely no hunting.

Do we live in two different universes? ?  Usually vegans etc are only preachy if "carnivores" come up with silly arguments why they eat meat. Or they annoy vegatarians with  WHY DONT YOU EAT MEAT?  because I dont want to.   WHAT ABOUT HAMBURGERS OR SAUSAGES? also meat.  WHAT ABOUT FISH? the same reason  and so on and so on

Vegetarians or vegans are usually the ones that need to defend their lifestyle beceause "carnivores" cant mind their own business.

I have never ever seen any vegetarian or vegan that aproaches other peole and tries to convince them to stop eating meat. Its usually the other way around if a "normal" person finds out someone else is vegan vegetarian etc.

Thank you, this is the best post I've read that describes about this topic. It's a non sensical argument to say that the "animals eat other animals" argument doesn't apply to us humans. I like to see someone convert a meat hungry lion into veganism before they get eaten.

I love meat and I don't plan on converting to vegan or vegetarinism at all. But like you said (which I agree) we do have a problem with corporate farmers mistreating animals for meat. I also agree with you on the perception of meat eating among other. I can also understand a person's reason to go vegetarian. But I have a really hard time with vegans who don't even use animal byproducts that doesn't invlove in the killing of an animal such as eggs, milk and wool. Given that they haven't been mistreated.

Plus I would also like to add to your argument in that going vegan is not 100% healthy as vegans can suffer from a vitamin B12 defincency. B12 originates from animals after digesting vegetation in their body's from bactieria. Though I'm not saying that eating meat doesn't have it's drawbacks. the bacteria that makes B12 is also found in miniscule amounts in the dirt and even lakes but I don't think its enough to aqquire which is why its better found in animals.

Dude srop it please:) your replies are hilarious and another example of  LETS DEFEND MY LIFESTYLE FOR THE SAKE OF DEFENDING IT.

1. noone said its okay to kill animals that have a chance to flee.  Thes question was why is it okay for animals and not for us.
Please read what I say and stop twisting it so your "argument" makes sense ;)

I said its okay for animals because its natural for them as opposed to why we do it. Another reason for: why its different for humans and animals was that we dont give our "victims" a chance at all.  I said this to show that its a totally different situation and thats why you cannot compare wildlife carnivores to us.

2.We eat animals because they taste good? So why dont you eat dogs? Or what about human babies (humans are animals too)?  We eat animals because we are used to it  90% of the people in the first world have no idea what hunger is at all so the hunger thing is no argument since we have enough to eat thats not meat. I really would like to see how you eat raw cow meat you ripped from a cows bone ;)  have fun digesting it :) dont forget to tell my how good it tastes without it being smoked cooked and spiced :)

You dont seem to get what I say: You think you need to eat meat because the industry is lying to you because they want to make profit. Making profit in itself is no problem at all the reason why so much meat is offered is not because its good for us but because it makes profit.
BTW I report you for the MORON thing now ;)

3. Who are we to decide what animal should be killed so another one can survive? I dont really understand the food chain example you just made but if anything manipulates the food chain its us eating meat because of the indutry that keeps convincing us we need to even if we dont.

4. Noone said we should free billions of pigs cows and chicken right now and watch the world get fucked up. The right way would be to not "create" more and well I suppose eat the ones we have right now. I dont understand why you try to tell me it will just get worse when we try to fix the issue. We should try to find out how it was before we messed it up. And if this is not possible just stop creating more and let the ones in the wild do their own thing fate. Noone has to make it worse. I dont really understand what you want to tell me with the  chickens and predators suffer from us taking up all the space. Are you tellining me that its okay since its balanced lol?

5. LOL just think about what you just said:  It goes something like this ANIMALS ARE STUPID THEY HAVE NO HOPES AND NO EMOTIONS  BUT EVEN THO THEY HAVE NO EMOTIONS THEY WILL BE HAPPY THAT THEY HAVE AT LEAST 1 YEAR. ???

6. And now you tell me they cant apreciate life so your POINT 5 makes even less sense. Btw who are you to tell them their existence is pointless? How useful is your or my existence? We waste this planets ressources far more than animals do. If anything should die thats US. We are more useless.  And if you disagree why do you disagree? Because your human mentality thinks humans are useful animals are not? What if the cow things the other way around? Why is your opinion correct and the animals opinion is wrong? The cows existance is not useless just because humans think so lol.

Btw I have no idea if you ever cared about animals or not BUT ANIMALS HAVE EMOTIONS. Think about it for a second. There is two types of emotions. The first type are the basic emotions  such as fear or happiness. This type was always relevant for survival. Sex makes animals happy therefore they have sex. It was planned this way and it works this way. If you attack an animal that has the ability to defend itself (cat dog etc) the fear of feeling pain again helps the animal to survice and it will defend itself or they will run away if they have no way to defend themselves.  Thats just one example. This type is about motivation.

  The second type is something we cant explain yet thats the complex emotions such as  jealousy. We dont really understand how they work and especially not how they work for animals.

 Lets say you have a cat and its on your lap  your second cat now wants to be on your lap because it knows you will pet it. Your second cat links being pet to happiness.  It tries to jump on your lap but the first cat is in the way. Your second cat wants to remove your first cat so there is space on your lap. It doesnt do it because the second cat thinks the first one is pet by you and also wants the same treatment it tries to remove the first cat because the first cat is an obstacle.  This again is the basic motivation driven behavior.


Jealousy e.g.  is strange because its somewhat based on the basic emotions but its actually not  its hard to explain.
It's more like I WANT IT TOO We are jealous because we have learned that the way we life is not the only way that exists we compare ourselves to others.  We are not sure what animals have those compex emotions / what complex emotions animals have if they have any at all. But jealousy seems to be one of the complex emotions cats dont have. (if thats an emotion at all  I DOUBT IT)

7. We certainly dont know what would have happened to cows chckens etc if we never messed up the natural situation because its to long ago. But even if they would go distinct it would be okay because thats the way the cookie crumbles.

I mean would you clone neanderthalers and eat them because they are tasty and tell them to STFU because without you they would not exist? Just because you helped them you feel they owe you something in this case their meat?  Would you eat your own baby? It is meat and its just there because you made it cant. And its proven that human babies are more stupid than ape babies  so they cant complain right?  

And just because weare to stupid to find out wheter or not animals have "complex emotions" doesnt give us the right to eat them or treat them as sub-species.

No, it is not morally wrong in anyway, we're meant to eat meat.

Oh my goodness! That looks extremely delish!

It depends on what you want to consider relevant, and the structure of your values. Very subjective.

Personally, I'm vegetarian, and recently I've only find reasons to keep being one.

I'd add to the OP, the unsustainable way in which meat is produced. It's just not efficient, and it wouldn't matter under normal circumstances, but there are just way too many humans in this world, and we won't be able to spare all that grain and water just to produce meat.

Some comments here ....., nvm. But, I think that there are as many annoying vegetarians/vegans, as annoying meat-eaters. ....nvm.

I liked meat, a lot, it didn't matter. If you just want to do it, it doesn't matter. If you don't, well it doesn't matter either. Moral and values are a very subjective thing, then you would have to decide it for yourself. If you are still deciding, and you consider my opinion relevant, I can further explain my position.

If you are overweight or obese a limited intake of meat will go a long way in helping you lose weight. Processed meat and hormone grain fed meat are cheaper to mass produce and have high levels of fat. Eating too much red meat is strongly linked to obesity, cancer, cardiovascular and other health problems.

Rather i think an animals inability to display morality is one of the factors that make it ok to eat them.