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What are the most significant factors?

Genetic factors 131 47.29%
 
Environmental factors 65 23.47%
 
People freely choose their sexuality 47 16.97%
 
Other 32 11.55%
 
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NolSinkler said:

As somebody who is working to overcome my own homosexual desires, it is right.


People have been trying to do this for a long time and it hasn't worked. I have no problem with people trying to "cure" homosexuality because objectively I do see it as a "disease" or more accurately social anomaly, but I do have a probem when people start pushing these sweeping generalizations about the psyche of homosexuals.

I have no agenda, nor do I have any problem with finding my place in society. I certainly don't have a skewed sense of morality. If anything, my sense of the world and morality is ridiculously objective considering the fact that I wasn't exactly happy when the realization dawned that I was one of them. 

I really don't want to pursue this argument though because it is one that has no end. I hope you find what your looking for.



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NolSinkler said:
Homosexuality is the result of deep-rooted confusion about the proper role of self and others in society and in relationship to one another. Confusion implies that a person does not know who s/he is. If a person is confident that he's attracted to the same sex, then there is no confusion. 

It is a condition that cannot persist through time, prevents the continuation of a species , degrades proper moral and intellectual development, and destroys the body. This being said, we should not curse the homosexual, for he is gravely confused and holds many falsehoods true; we should not hurt the homosexual, even though he hurts himself and those around him; rather, we must renounce that which is falsehood in his life and help him to overcome his disordered (not properly ordered) desires.

This entire paragraph is irrelevant. We are looking for the causes of homosexuality, not the effects.

It has been plainly seen for millennia by the the vast majority of mankind that homosexuality is disordered and is something to be repressed and destroyed by society (which implies that it must be repressed and destroyed at an individual level as well). We know that repression and destruction implies pain and suffering - but if we destroy that which is evil, do we not do well? Which is not to say that the person with such desires must be destroyed. On the contrary, we must prevent him from destroying himself.

This entire paragraph is irrelevant. We are looking for the causes of homosexuality, not whether it is evil.

What gives rise to the homosexual movement in our society today? It is the outcome of numerous factors. Male-female relationships have become overtly sexual, and male-female relations which are not extremely sexual are seen today as 'less than' a normal, functioning relationship. Now, the homosexual is such a one that will have trouble functioning in a heterosexual relationship - but in times past, such relationships were not based on sex, but were based on commitment, contracts, and other such devices. And so today, the homosexual has a great deal of trouble finding a suitable wife, because he is told that the ideal partner must be sexually attractive before all else. This is a lie that has crept into our society.

This does not explain the cause of homosexuality. It instead hints at the development the homosexual 'movement,' but still doesn't present any causes for homosexuality in the first place. While more relevant than your other paragraphs, this one is still, ultimately, irrelevant.

So when we seek to conquer the homosexual problem of today, in such a way that the homosexual can be liberated from the tyranny of his disordered sexual desires, we must look at the heterosexual relationship first, which has been distorted and has become the model for the homosexual relationship. For you see, a correct heterosexual relationship has as a component sex, for a purpose, but does not has as its main purpose sex. The 'homosexual' person believes, truly or falsely, that intercourse with a member of the opposite sex will not be as satisfying as with a member of the same sex, and therefore, that this precludes them from any successful heterosexual relationship. Unfortunately, in our society, this is true.

This paragraph is irrelevant. This thread is not meant to determine how we can conquer the homosexual 'agenda.'

And so we see that the problem in our society does not rest on the homosexual, but rests on the heterosexual members of our society, who, understanding and perpetuating a false ideal of a proper heterosexual relationship, have forced others to believe themselves inadequate for a heterosexual relationship, pushing them into the homosexual relationship. Seeing then that the problem is actually the offspring of false ideas in the majority of the population, we must strive to correct these ideals, in doing so, correcting the homosexual problem. For the homosexual understands he has a problem - they know they do not conform to the heterosexual norm - and so they have sought to change the norm, but they have done so in the wrong way, and so have continued to push society in the same direction that it was already headed, which is, toward even greater sexualization.

This paragraph is irrelevant.


The increased sexualization of relationships will push people not only from heterosexuality, but from homosexuality, into even more deviant sexual relationships, because people will feel that they fail to live up to the sexual ideal of each new category created, and so directing their sexual energies elsewhere.

Perhaps, but what causes homosexuality to begin with,

My reply in bolded.

You're using this thread to give your opinions of homosexuality, but you aren't really answering the question.



xxbrothawizxx63 said:

Some people do desire chocolate though


I think you're getting caught up on the word choice of out argument. He's using the word desire instead of want for a reason. "Want" implies a conscious choice while "desire" doesn't which in this case makes the distinction necessary. Why would a Transexual make a conscious decision to endure the internal turmoil that come along with the sense that you're the wrong sex? Yea, you're right, there is a "want" to dress like the opposite sex, but a "desire" to be the opposite sex a different. The want is caused by the desire in that case, the desire being the a pretty much permanent sense that you were born into the wrong body. 

Truthfully, I don't even think I should be speaking on behalf of transexausls because I do think their situation is a bit different from that of homosexuals. On one hand you have VERY effeminate gay men who have no desire to be women and other the other hand there are transexuals. In a way, I do feel like they are on the same spectrum with being gay on one hand, effeminate gay men in the middle, and transexuals on the other side. 

Interesting, that is quite alot of meat to this debate and yet I though it was so simple. 



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xxbrothawizxx63 said:
NolSinkler said:

As somebody who is working to overcome my own homosexual desires, it is right.


People have been trying to do this for a long time and it hasn't worked. I have no problem with people trying to "cure" homosexuality because objectively I do see it as a "disease" or more accurately social anomaly, but I do have a probem when people start pushing these sweeping generalizations about the psyche of homosexuals.

I have no agenda, nor do I have any problem with finding my place in society. I certainly don't have a skewed sense of morality. If anything, my sense of the world and morality is ridiculously objective considering the fact that I wasn't exactly happy when the realization dawned that I was one of them. 

I really don't want to pursue this argument though because it is one that has no end. I hope you find what your looking for.

People HAVE been living in successful heterosexual relationships, despite having homosexual desires, for thousands of years.  Only recently have people started taking issue with it.



NolSinkler said:

People HAVE been living in successful heterosexual relationships, despite having homosexual desires, for thousands of years.  Only recently have people started taking issue with it.


More like, only recently society has been more open to allowing it. 



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Jay520 said:
NolSinkler said:

People HAVE been living in successful heterosexual relationships, despite having homosexual desires, for thousands of years.  Only recently have people started taking issue with it.


More like, only recently society has been more open to allowing it. 


I really wouldn't call a heterosexual relationship where one party isn't really all that attracted to the other person as much as they should.....not to mention they probably cheat on them, successful.

Basically that encourages loveless unions on some broken dynamic of what marraige is suppose to be.



      

      

      

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xxbrothawizxx63 said:
Squilliam said:
Overpopulation. It is an environmental factor where human beings are exposed to an environment which is 1000's of times greater population density than for the majority of human history.

The other major factor is genetic from the female side, I.E. an increased rate of fertility at the expense of producing gay sons.


Though I don't see how overpopulation is a real factor unless you said it in relation to your next point there is some substance and data to suggest that there is truth in your second point. 

Several studies have found that the the gay child in a family typically is the last or near the last. Supposedly, the male fetus is seem as somewhat of a foreign object in the womb and and a women's body naturally tries to "feminize" the fetus. The hypothesis states that as a women has more sons, here body become more adept at this process resulting in homsexual sons. That doesn't explain lesbians though.

A family with a lot of sons is also a family with crowded living arrangements. People are affected by their environment long before they are born. It doesn't disprove the population connection because you can also explain the sons argument with density.



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NolSinkler said:

As somebody who is working with the help of God to overcome my own homosexual desires, it is right.


As someone who lives a happy life as a gay man and recently got married to my boyfriend of 10 years, I feel sorry for what you're inflicting on yourself.



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the2real4mafol said:
Jay520 said:
the2real4mafol said:

Would you say the same for trannies or bisexuals then?



their actions are choices. their internal desire is not.

They just seem the same as gays to me, who choose that. I mean you wouldn't dress up as a woman if you didn't want to. I view being gay in the same light

What you don't seem to get is that you don't need to sleep with a dude to be gay. If you're attracted only to people of the same sex then you're gay, if you're attracted only to people of the opposite sex then you're straight, if it's both then you're bi. It's as simple as that.



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TruckOSaurus said:
NolSinkler said:

As somebody who is working with the help of God to overcome my own homosexual desires, it is right.


As someone who lives a happy life as a gay man and recently got married to my boyfriend of 10 years, I feel sorry for what you're inflicting on yourself.

The God that I love and worship loves you too.  A simple idea - perhaps God can free those with homosexual desires from the tyranny of their desires?  This is what I believe and hope for.  God loves us all very much.  How much?  Haven't you heard?

What causes homosexuality? - that is the topic. Homosexuality is the result of deep-rooted confusion about the proper role of self and others in society and in relationship to one another and to God.  Now Jay520 said earlier, that confusion is the wrong word to use.  No, confusion is correct.  The person has confused, obfuscated, and misunderstood; they have not valued correctly.  So has any sinner.  It's not a big deal.  To say that he who has homosexual desire must submit to such desires is pretty counter-biblical though.  If you feel sorry for me, then you must feel sorry for the gambler who seeks to escape gambling, or the alcoholic who recognizes his problem and wants a way out, or the man who compulsively lies but wants to start telling the truth.

Perhaps you sympathize with them - can you not sympathize with the man seeking to destroy his homosexual desires, after recognizing the destructiveness of them?