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What are the most significant factors?

Genetic factors 131 47.29%
 
Environmental factors 65 23.47%
 
People freely choose their sexuality 47 16.97%
 
Other 32 11.55%
 
Total:275

According to The Simpsons, the following contribute to homosexuality:

- MTV
- soda pop
- slim cigarettes
- working at a steel mill
- hunting
- a mother being too effeminate around her son
- naming your son Bruce, Lance, or Julian
- owning a Hawaiian shirt
- eating pink candy
- going "zap" when playing with a toy gun



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I think maybe how you were raised could possibly affect it, like if you grew up with an older sister that made you play barbies with her.



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axumblade said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Ryan Reynolds, Jake Gyllenhaal, Ryan Gosling, David Beckham, James Franco, etc..

You forgot the cast of the majority of the cast of the Avengers...


And Nathan Drake >_>............. cummon, the guy has an inhuman level of upper body strength and a great sense of humour lol



      

      

      

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forevercloud3000 said:

1. I just want to hear an educated guess on the matter, thats all. You must be able to at least come up with something that would fit into the enviornmental factors mold if you hold that belief.

2. Sexual inclination seems very different than just liking a particular color,music/genre, etc. These things frequently change in children going into adult hood....and often. Sex tho is a constant. There have been studies that interviewed and studied brain wave function on "Ex-Gays" and it shows that they all had the same chemical reactions in the brain that they did before. Many of them admitting out right that their feelings never changed, just how they thought about them.


1. Anything that could make someone associate pleasure exclusively with a certain gender. That would be different from everyone, so I can't say.

2. As for sexual inclination and favorite color, music genre, etc. I wasn't trying to say they are both lifelong. I was just using color and music as examples of things which are developed by post-birth factors, even though we cannot say for sure specifically what factors there are. 

It doesn't look like we're going to reach any conclusion though. At least we can agree that pre-birth and post-birth factors are both involved to some extent. Where we differ is which one we believe is more significant. Until there is some conclusive evidence in support of one theory, you and I (and the rest of the scientific community) are probably going to stick to what we thinks makes the most sense. There will probably never be a theory that really overtakes another. In fact, even today, years decades after the beginning of psychology/sociology, there remains several vastly different perspectives (Psychodynamic vs Behavioralism; Functionalism vs Symbolic Interactionism) that divides scientists in their explanation of behavior/mental processes. Yet at the same time, none of the perspectives are more valid than another. Perhaps the Nature vs Nurture debate about sexual preference will also remain valid perspectives.



axumblade said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Ryan Reynolds, Jake Gyllenhaal, Ryan Gosling, David Beckham, James Franco, etc..

You forgot the cast of the majority of the cast of the Avengers...

So many men, so little time...



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Cub said:

Bolded: It shouldn't have made you believe that really. The studies you are talking about measure hormones effects after birth, not during fetal development in which major brain (and other organs) differentiation (shaping) occurs under the effect of the mother's + fetus' own hormones.

Also, Hormones on their own are useless, so measuring their levels sometimes don't reflect the real picture. Hormones in general get secreted and circulate the body looking for their receptors to attach to and exert their actions. So you need "Hormones+Receptors" for any effect to occur. I'll try to explain further:

For example, the pancreas secretes insulin which then attach to receptros that are present on muscles' cells facilitating glucose entry in order to keep your blood glucose levels within normal levels. There are 2 ways by which you can get diabetes (unhealthy high blood glucose levels):

1) Low insulin levels.

2)Insulin receptor defects. (that's why some diabetic patients have high insulin levels, to try to compensate for the defective receptors)

You can apply the same exact principles to all hormones, for example, imgaine gay people having diminished testosterone receptors in their brain cells, what could be the outcome? This is all just oversimplified and I am not even suggesting that my brain cells lack testosterone receptors ,  I am just trying to explain why you shouldn't rule out hormonal effects because of the studies you have mentioned.

But yeah, bottom line is the matter isn't so clear-cut. People shouldn't stress anyway unless it's for purely scientific reasons and curiosity.

Good points.

I actually didn't rule out the possibility of genes being involved because I know there is more to them. The genes topic is very big and there are many things in the argument that need to be cleared, for example, if the fetal development was the determent factor, wouldn't the effects of that period still be measurable in our bodies today?, so examining our bodies would give us all the info that we need if something went "wrong" during the fetal development.

In general, I think we all agree that what makes who we are is more about what we choose to learn from the experiences of life, either through our conscious or unconscious mind; which I think is the key factor here.



Everyone is bisexual. The distinction between gay and straight is an invention of society and culture.



TheEvilBanana said:
Everyone is bisexual. The distinction between gay and straight is an invention of society and culture.


so much truth to this. Once we stop trying to think of it as an "either or" and just as an "is" we will finally start to understand.



      

      

      

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TheEvilBanana said:
Everyone is bisexual. The distinction between gay and straight is an invention of society and culture.


I don't think so. I don't have Amy sexual desire to be with another man.

Jay520 said:
TheEvilBanana said:
Everyone is bisexual. The distinction between gay and straight is an invention of society and culture.


I don't think so. I don't have Amy sexual desire to be with another man.


Have you ever had a guy friend that you just adored being around?That your relationship was to the point that you loved him but strictly plutonic? Or do you emulate any male figure as the epitome of how you would like to be (personality and looks wise)?

I have always felt this had underlining sexual motivation.....but not entirely. Just depends on what side of the vast sexual spectrum you are on. Many guys and gals are expecially confused by the fact they go through their entire lives not being attracted to a single person of the same sex but then one day, someone of a special caliber shows up and just strikes their fancy in another way.

I am just saying sex is not black and white....but many shades of gray.



      

      

      

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