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Forums - Politics - EU wins Nobel peace Prize. No... seriously, they did!

maximrace on 12 October 2012

It's rather funny that most people who rant against the EU don't live in it ;).



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badgenome on 12 October 2012

Well, look on the bright side. At least they didn't win the prize for Economics.



Mr Khan on 12 October 2012
Slimebeast said:

The peace argument, I mean is there a more childish argument to use in politics?

It was the biggest argument used by the pro-EU side when we in Sweden had the popular vote about whether to join the EU or not in 1994 or so (this argument together with the economical argument lol, that we'd be isolated economically if we wouldn't join the EU).

But it worked, we we're tricked into the EU. For nothing good whatsover. Nothing! Instead we've been paying 2 billion Euro per year in membership fees and subsidies, plus having regulations that we don't need forced upon us.

Thanks to the EU we didn't get another Hitler in power, right? lol. It's just so stupid.

As if we would need the EU for the UK, Germany and France to never go to war against each other again. Such a joke. Not even USA got into war against Russia in 40 years of Cold War and it wasn't even close that they would.

Cuban Missile Crisis

Also that one time that the Soviet radar network malfunctioned and detected a mass warhead launch by the US, and only one Soviet military officer's intuition made the difference between total global annihilation.

We like to talk about how MAD saved the world in the Cold War, but really it's a miracle that the industrialized world still exists.

You don't get the Nobel Peace Prize for being perfect. Peace isn't about perfection, and the winners don't have to be saints. They do, however, have to be trying. The European Union strains, but the EU stands for now, and the Prize Committee is trying to give them a call of encouragement.



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Slimebeast on 12 October 2012
Mr Khan said:
Slimebeast said:

The peace argument, I mean is there a more childish argument to use in politics?

It was the biggest argument used by the pro-EU side when we in Sweden had the popular vote about whether to join the EU or not in 1994 or so (this argument together with the economical argument lol, that we'd be isolated economically if we wouldn't join the EU).

But it worked, we we're tricked into the EU. For nothing good whatsover. Nothing! Instead we've been paying 2 billion Euro per year in membership fees and subsidies, plus having regulations that we don't need forced upon us.

Thanks to the EU we didn't get another Hitler in power, right? lol. It's just so stupid.

As if we would need the EU for the UK, Germany and France to never go to war against each other again. Such a joke. Not even USA got into war against Russia in 40 years of Cold War and it wasn't even close that they would.

Cuban Missile Crisis

Also that one time that the Soviet radar network malfunctioned and detected a mass warhead launch by the US, and only one Soviet military officer's intuition made the difference between total global annihilation.

lol I've never heard of such a story. Talk about exaggeration.



Mr Khan on 12 October 2012
Slimebeast said:
Mr Khan said:
Slimebeast said:

The peace argument, I mean is there a more childish argument to use in politics?

It was the biggest argument used by the pro-EU side when we in Sweden had the popular vote about whether to join the EU or not in 1994 or so (this argument together with the economical argument lol, that we'd be isolated economically if we wouldn't join the EU).

But it worked, we we're tricked into the EU. For nothing good whatsover. Nothing! Instead we've been paying 2 billion Euro per year in membership fees and subsidies, plus having regulations that we don't need forced upon us.

Thanks to the EU we didn't get another Hitler in power, right? lol. It's just so stupid.

As if we would need the EU for the UK, Germany and France to never go to war against each other again. Such a joke. Not even USA got into war against Russia in 40 years of Cold War and it wasn't even close that they would.

Cuban Missile Crisis

Also that one time that the Soviet radar network malfunctioned and detected a mass warhead launch by the US, and only one Soviet military officer's intuition made the difference between total global annihilation.

lol I've never heard of such a story. Talk about exaggeration.

Googling "Cold War Near Miss" gets you this as one of the top results

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-505009/September-26th-1983-The-day-world-died.html

September 26th, 1983. Everyone living in Europe, North America, and the developed parts of Asia owes our lives to Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov.



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badgenome on 12 October 2012
Mr Khan said:

Also that one time that the Soviet radar network malfunctioned and detected a mass warhead launch by the US, and only one Soviet military officer's intuition made the difference between total global annihilation.

That is rather overstating it since the Soviets had a policy of requiring multiple source warnings before a retaliation.



Mr Khan on 12 October 2012
badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

Also that one time that the Soviet radar network malfunctioned and detected a mass warhead launch by the US, and only one Soviet military officer's intuition made the difference between total global annihilation.

That is rather overstating it since the Soviets had a policy of requiring multiple source warnings before a retaliation.

The point is that it happened. Slimebeast said "we never came close," which is absolutely not true.



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Slimebeast on 12 October 2012
Mr Khan said:
Slimebeast said:
Mr Khan said:
Slimebeast said:

The peace argument, I mean is there a more childish argument to use in politics?

It was the biggest argument used by the pro-EU side when we in Sweden had the popular vote about whether to join the EU or not in 1994 or so (this argument together with the economical argument lol, that we'd be isolated economically if we wouldn't join the EU).

But it worked, we we're tricked into the EU. For nothing good whatsover. Nothing! Instead we've been paying 2 billion Euro per year in membership fees and subsidies, plus having regulations that we don't need forced upon us.

Thanks to the EU we didn't get another Hitler in power, right? lol. It's just so stupid.

As if we would need the EU for the UK, Germany and France to never go to war against each other again. Such a joke. Not even USA got into war against Russia in 40 years of Cold War and it wasn't even close that they would.

Cuban Missile Crisis

Also that one time that the Soviet radar network malfunctioned and detected a mass warhead launch by the US, and only one Soviet military officer's intuition made the difference between total global annihilation.

lol I've never heard of such a story. Talk about exaggeration.

Googling "Cold War Near Miss" gets you this as one of the top results

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-505009/September-26th-1983-The-day-world-died.html

September 26th, 1983. Everyone living in Europe, North America, and the developed parts of Asia owes our lives to Lieutenant Colonel Stanislav Petrov.

Do you really believe that story? Yeah, the part with the controller guy checking the enemy missile computer is probably true but the next steps in the decision chain, that it was all up to one guy's judgment or the Soviets would have launched nukes in error, that's totally unbelievable.

Wasn't there a movie in the 80's about some hackers who were close of starting a nuclear war when they hacked into US defense systems?



badgenome on 12 October 2012
Mr Khan said:

The point is that it happened. Slimebeast said "we never came close," which is absolutely not true.

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, sure. The Petrov incident, while interesting, tends to be pretty exaggerated.



Mr Khan on 12 October 2012
badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

The point is that it happened. Slimebeast said "we never came close," which is absolutely not true.

During the Cuban Missile Crisis, sure. The Petrov incident, while interesting, tends to be pretty exaggerated.

In the sense of being a "movie-perfect moment," kinda. But read the Daily Mail article (for what the daily mail is worth, at any rate), both sides took it very seriously and were on tenterhooks for the weeks following.



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