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I simply believe that Sony is in panic mode at the moment. They kept saying, "It's on target," again and again while others say, "Don't worry, it'll get better!" Mixed messages usually aren't the best manner in which to do business, but I tend to think that articles like this are meant to try and get everyone to hold their horses until they can figure out what to do next. While I believe that online media's effect on sales is practically nil, it doesn't help when people, even their fans, tend to notice a distinct dearth of decent ads and what not and wonder what the hell they're doing.

For the moment, statistics and comparisons are not on their side. DS, 3DS and PSP are all destroying the Vita in terms of sales speed and now they're trying to pull a Hail Mary pass to get things moving at a decent clip. The market is insanely volatile, the Yen is still strong and the best they've got right now is bundles. Considering all of that, I tend to think that judgement, in the face of current appearances, isn't entirely unfounded. It's Sony's job to turn the perception around, because nobody else is going to do it for them.

However, in a sense, they're also right. Personally? I believe that if the Vita can't manage to surpass 5 million units by January 1st, Sony is going to be in a terrible position to try and move forward with 2013. So, I will wait until then to pass my own judgement. It's probably fair to give them that, at least.



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The OP is a good example of how Sony likes to throw stones in a glass house out.  They're so defensive in their wait-for-first-Xmas statement, considering they said Nintendo and Microsoft would have trouble staying relavent after 2011...  Reminds me of how they sulked when Nintendo said glasses-free 3D was the way to go, or when they said the 3DS was for babies only to later say they needed to skew younger with the Vita.  Sony like's putting foot in mouth.

brendude13 said:
I've been saying this for a while.

They aren't going to be pushing the console in Spring and Summer. After Christmas, when a few big games have been released and when the system has been advertised, we should take a look at sales then. And even if the sales are still unimpressive after Christmas, it doesn't automatically make it a terrible system and it doesn't mean it will disappear overnight. The GameCube limped along on similar sales.

Not an apt comparison.  Gamecube sold tons of software.



As long as the good games keep coming, I am happy. :D

That is what I expect from Sony, to keep support going by any means necessary.

If the good games stop coming, then I am sad. D:

People love to throw numbers around, but in my experience the Wii has sales and GameCube has twice as many good games. So, GameCube>Wii

Don't count unhatched chickens...



RolStoppable said:
Chark said:

Do you not think gaming media has influence on the market? Vita started selling like crap in Japan due to a lack of eastern appealing software and an overabundance of PSP software releases. Once Vita started dropping in sales, this included highlighting sales drops from launch numbers which is obvious, the negative articles started making their rounds all over the media. Gaming sites, electronic sits, business sites, all pointed at Vita long before world wide launch. It cultivated the Vita doom, it was already established before it even got into people's hands.

The forums, the message boards, the blogs. Those aren't just profile pics in a virtual landscape, those are real people spreading hate for the system, consumer loyalty at its worst. It's not just online, those people have friends, those friends have friends. Mass information spreads like a wildfire. When something becomes "in" it is because of perception. Vita is on the wrong end of perception to the extent that the "in" thing is to hate the Vita. It takes time to overcome something like that, people need to stop caring, stop listening to the fanatics, before the Vita will become an option for people. People are prone to social influences.

I'm not saying that is the only factor, of course price and other things serve to dissuade especially since the main competitor dropped their price heavily. Some say its software, but there was plenty of software at launch and it does have a large selection with some big names. I fear that every new console is going to be a victim of this from now on, new hardware won't have the lineup of several year old systems. It seems people are comparing it to that and not to systems during their first year on the market.

He mentioned the Wii which pretty much proves the importance of the gaming media or rather it's lack thereof. Basically, each month right after the NPD numbers were published, editorials on gaming websites started to pop up and questioned if the Wii actually deserves its sales when there are so much better systems out there. The message boards were filled with hatred, proclaiming that the Wii isn't even a proper gaming console and that it belongs into the same category as Leapfrog. The anecdotal evidence somehow always happened to be "everyone I know who owns a Wii isn't using it anymore" and this was in 2007. The Wii kept on selling regardless.

What this means is that the massmarket doesn't read the gaming media. It also means that the average forum user doesn't actually talk to people about video games. All these pissing contests on the internet do not reflect the real world and neither do they influence or change the real world. The dedicated followers of gaming who suck up every bit of news and discuss them on message boards are powerless.

The current problem of the Vita in the market isn't hate. It's indifference. People just don't care about it and some may not even know that it exists.


Th Wii was an astounding sucess in the non gaming market. Droves of people not interested in gaming pick up a Wii. I'm not saying gaming media effects those who don't game, the mainstream if you will, it affects gamers. Gamers are the ones who read the articles, who are influenced by it. Gamers are the bulk, if not the repeat consumers of the industry. You don't need mainstream appeal to succeed, you can do fine by attracting the "core". The Vita became a target and is taking overwhelming bad PR that has crippled its sales to the core gaming consumer. It wouldn't have meant much if they had mainstream appeal like the Wii which managed high sales despite core backlash.

Right now Vita is surviving off of PlayStatiin fans and independent thinking consumers who decide to get one, not much else. Either Sony needs to quite the angry core, or attract the outside mainstream market. It looks like they are trying to wait it out until they get bored or the software starts to appease them, rather than cut the price out of desperation. Providing several bundles is their attempt at appeasement at the moment. As for the mainstream, well that's a harder fish to fry, but maybe they are pushing their marketing budget for that...a long shot to try and catch fire though. The Vita is in a tough position trying to sell while trying not to sink potential profits as an antidote. Maybe they will do better than people think this holiday, either way a price drop will come at some point, but at a better time for Sony financially.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

CCFanboy said:

 

I don't think ps3 was ever on track for failure. So I doubt 360 saved it.


Guess you weren't here for the first 18 months of PS3 because it was totally on track for failure.



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Play4Fun said:


Guess you weren't here for the first 18 months of PS3 because it was totally on track for failure.


I know they were selling ps3 at some incredibly large losses and it was being sluggiish but ps3 was always destined to sell well once the price was affordable enough. How they are effected now I don't know. But I knew ps3 would catch on because (as I said in another thread) sony is a stubborn goose. They sit and watch things continuously drag itself through hurdles wether they have the money or not. I see the same tellies at the same stupidly high prices and yet months later they are still there.

It is likely to be the same with vita. Sony will step back and watch it drag itself if it didn't pick up at christmas. You can argue they don't have the money to do that but they are stubborn. Even when there aren't adverts, posters or anything. Unless retailers take a stand against it, the system will sit there on store shelves clinging to every little sale it can get.



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CCFanboy said:
Play4Fun said:


Guess you weren't here for the first 18 months of PS3 because it was totally on track for failure.


I know they were selling ps3 at some incredibly large losses and it was being sluggiish but ps3 was always destined to sell well once the price was affordable enough. How they are effected now I don't know. But I knew ps3 would catch on because (as I said in another thread) sony is a stubborn goose. They sit and watch things continuously drag itself through hurdles wether they have the money or not. I see the same tellies at the same stupidly high prices and yet months later they are still there.

It is likely to be the same with vita. Sony will step back and watch it drag itself if it didn't pick up at christmas. You can argue they don't have the money to do that but they are stubborn. Even when there aren't adverts, posters or anything. Unless retailers take a stand against it, the system will sit there on store shelves clinging to every little sale it can get.

I don't think you can survive in today's economy by just being stubborn... 



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RolStoppable said:

"But the great news is that we have got the content in place. We have got the cash to invest in terms of marketing and retail to really ignite it this Christmas. To start judging a console before it has had its first Christmas is preposterous, really. And we are giving it everything we have got."

Vita's success this Christmas will no doubt lie in the hands of four key titles: Assassin's Creed III: Liberation, Call of Duty: Black Ops Declassified, Need For Speed: Most Wanted and FIFA 13.

This made me chuckle. "We are giving it everything we have got.", followed by a statement of truth by the author of this news piece. Sony has got nothing in terms of games, they can only throw money at marketing. And this is the main problem of the Vita: Why should third parties feel confident in the platform, if Sony themselves doesn't bring their A game to the system?

You joking, right? They put Uncharted and LBP there, they are making PSABR for it. They announced several good looking games at Gamescom. Yet they got nothing in terms of games? Why so negative?



I've already said in another thread. Sony needs to implement a 1-2 years free for all to the developers where they don't have to pay royalties for the sold games. They don't take royalties, or reduce them, but they make Vita a viable platform, with tons of third party games. A price cut isn't going to help without lots of great games.



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But it had a Christmas already? I don't get it.

 

Edit - Kynes that is actually a fairly class idea, but the price cut would still help, when the 3DS got cheaper devs knew it would be an easier sell so it made it attractive to make games for it also.



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