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azrm2k said:
Y'know the PS3 could very well set records and go wild this year and be #1 before year's end but this story is still pretty dumb. It's not even a survey of gamers or anything. It's tracking page views to gaming websites. Somehow I think such results could be skewed towards the "hardcore" demographic that PS3 and 360 control compared to the more casual Wii fans.

"According to IGN GamerMetrics, which monitors the traffic patterns of some 15 million hardcore gamers"

Ah yes there it is.

DING-DING-DING! We have a winner!!

A lot of those games are only 'anticipated' by the people who WANT a PS3 or have one. They don't appeal to EVERYONE. Could little kids play Metal Gear Solid 4, KillZone 2, Gran Turismo 5 etc.? Nah, I don't think so.

"Mommy, can you show me how to hold a gun? Or drive a car?"

Parent: WTF are you talking about?

The Wii (sorry for bringing it up here, but I have a point) applies to everyone. Hardcore or casual, it doesn't matter. Nintendo made it the way it is and it has the price so that literally ANYONE would have one, just to have fun with others or play it themselves.

The PS3 is like a Swiss Army Knife; is a person really going to use all the features the console has? Or are they just going to use it to play games or watch a movie? PS3 is for showing off your money, in my opinion, like a fancy car. A car is only used to get from Point A to Point B. Nothing more or nothing less. Shows like Pimp My Ride is for dumbasses with no conscience of money (even if they pay the car's owner) because a car is a car, not a toy. It's a piece of machinery for operating, not to show off your money.

There was a fricking moron on Doctor Phil (saw it on TV in the lounge where I work) about some dumbass who's $500,000 in debt because he compulsively buys cars to show off to people. As soon as shows off one car, he sees another model he wants, so he goes ahead and buys it. His wife is going to divorce him because of his actions. He has over 20 cars and 5 or so boats. Worst of all is that he cannot pay off his debt because he keeps buying and buying cars nonstop.

A game system is a game system; only for entertainment purposes (Sony started it with PS2 having a built-in DVD player; Xbox had it optional and GameCube had none, except for the Panasonic model) and games. People are going to buy a game system just to play games and have fun. The Wii is priced to be AFFORDABLE and FUN, not some George Foreman grill to have a party with.



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The problem with Nintendo's lineup is it's really only SSBB, SMK, and Wii Fit then a big question mark for the rest of the year. Maybe they'll pull out Star Fox and Animal Crossing but will they be big enough to compete with what will likely be a lot of big 360/PS3 multiplatform games as well as the exclusives for each of those consoles?



Anyone can make predictions. Remember those predictions people were making that the 360 wont pass 14 million by the end of 2007? Well looks ta it now!



End of 2008 predcition:

Wii: 34 million

360: 23-26.5 million

PS3: 15-18 million

leo-j said:
15 million is still a large amount of gamers interested in those ps3 exclusives.

They monitor 15 million hardcore gamers. So what makes someone a hardcore gamer? I can assure you that it is not playing GTA III on PS2 or Halo on Xbox these days. I think its a pretty safe assumption that about 90% of this 15 million already owns either a PS3 or 360 which means there is probably only about 1.5m of them who are looking to purchase. Of those based on current rates about 750k would go to the PS3.


Things can change and some of the 360 owners might get a PS3 thats possible. But if you think that the entire 15 million is shopping for a PS3 you are deluding yourself.

 

@Article,

 

It is written so strangely...they are clearly talking about sales rates and how Sony has moved even with the 360 week for week, but its like they want you to draw the conclusion that this alone equates to a comeback. Really though it only equated to a "not falling further behind"...and even then only with respect to the 360, the Wii is still pulling even further ahead of both consoles.

Really though, I have no doubt the PS3 will have a good/great year and it will very likely gain ground throughout the year on the 360 (but not the Wii) and it will get a lot healthier financially speaking. But you don't need to talk to 15 million hardcore gamers to know this.



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azrm2k said:
Y'know the PS3 could very well set records and go wild this year and be #1 before year's end but this story is still pretty dumb. It's not even a survey of gamers or anything. It's tracking page views to gaming websites. Somehow I think such results could be skewed towards the "hardcore" demographic that PS3 and 360 control compared to the more casual Wii fans.

"According to IGN GamerMetrics, which monitors the traffic patterns of some 15 million hardcore gamers"

Ah yes there it is.

Bingo.

It's not like these are 15 million people who don't have a ps3.  Most of them probably alreadydo.



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Legend11 said:
The problem with Nintendo's lineup is it's really only SSBB, SMK, and Wii Fit then a big question mark for the rest of the year. Maybe they'll pull out Star Fox and Animal Crossing but will they be big enough to compete with what will likely be a lot of big 350/PS3 multiplatform games as well as the exclusives for each of those consoles?

The XBox 360 has had over a year of regularly releasing more and higher quality games that appeal to this demographic without being able to slow down the sales of the Wii (or to match the Wii's sales). What makes you think that a couple more games will suddenly change everything?



So, they list four PS3 games (three of which aren't guaranteed to be great), and the PS3 is going to be awesome in '08.

Then they list three Wii games (all three of which are guaranteed to be great), and the Wii somehow "lacks depth."

Nevermind the fact that the Wii has more exclusives appearing for it than the PS3 thus far. And the fact that more announcements are sure to be on the way. And the fact that Nintendo never hypes projects more than six months or so in advance, unless they're something huge (SMG, SSBB. Hell, Mario Kart Wii wasn't even on the radar until a month ago.)

@ Legend11: Read the "Wii games in the first half of '08" thread and look at how many exclusives are there. There's a ton.



"'Casual games' are something the 'Game Industry' invented to explain away the Wii success instead of actually listening or looking at what Nintendo did. There is no 'casual strategy' from Nintendo. 'Accessible strategy', yes, but ‘casual gamers’ is just the 'Game Industry''s polite way of saying what they feel: 'retarded gamers'."

 -Sean Malstrom

 

 

PS3 owners spend a lot of time reading previews because there isn't much for them to play.



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The article talks about interest in software, not hardware. It says nothing about sales. In fact, all it says that in 15 million gamers, the PS3's lineup is preferred about as much as the 360's, with the Wii's in third but still strong.

This does not mean that 15 million are interested in Ps3, it says 15 total. So if we divide it to 40-40-20 interest, then only 6 million of the 15 are interested and prefer the ps3's. Not to mention that is only hardcores, who have likely already made their purchase and preference for this generation.

To sum up: this article says nothing.



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Only another price cut will allow sony to climb to the second place. And I dont think they can afford it.



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