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The PlayStation name has been synonymous with the best fun gaming entertainment money can buy since the 90's. That's not about to change. While they may be recovery mode, it isn't Game Over.....Click the link below to read my article on this very subject, it's a good read.



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fauzman said:
I think worrying about sony at this stage is a bit premature. Firstly the price for the vita is a bit too steep but a price cut will soon see sales shooting up. Here in nz, the psp has been the most popular gaming device this gen and once the ps Vita drops in price, and reaches the magic figure of $250 we will see tons of sales.

Add to this, sony are clearly not putting all their eggs in one basket. Unlike nintendo, sony are willing to put their games on smartphones and are currently making arrangements with phone devs to do so. Add to this, I think sony and the playstation brand occupies a different level than iOS games in that they are deeper, more mature (hardcore??) experiences so I think they will be able to differentiate themselves from competition.

As for the ps3, I think it has gone from strength to strength. Sony have lost their exclusive 3rd party dev support but in the process have considerably expanded their own 1st party and 2nd party network and have gained a huge number of new IPs. Some have been average and even unsuccessful but a number of them have gone from strength to strength. I agree that the ps4 will probably not dominate the world of gaming the way the ps2 did but I definitely think that it will do much better initially than the ps3 and will get much better quality exclusives at launch.


My question with the Vita is how long does Sony have before the poor sales performance on its own prevents success?

Right now the top 25 third party published games for the 3DS have combined for 12.44 million units sold and average 496,000 copies each. In contrast the top 25 third party published games for the PS-Vita have combined for 2.66 million units sold and average 106,000 copies each. I don't know what third party publishers are going to do, but I have a feeling that more publishers would be looking to reduce their number of PS-Vita titles that are releasing in the next 12 to 24 months.

If Sony's financials prevent them from cutting the PS-Vita's price until (roughly) this time next year, how many games are actually going to be in the pipeline for the PS-Vita?



 

@Sales2099

@Jay520

@Leo-J

 

First off Sales2099 is the only one looking at this from a business persepective.  Leo is taking this from a bias perspective, and  Jay you just, idk.   Everything Sales2099 has said that I've read is correct.  Yes Madden is huge btw why do you guys think they sale it every year.  Can you imagine how much profits they are getting out of a game that barely has to update each year?   

 

Halo/Gears/Forza is way bigger than Sony's first party.  I don't even know why this is being argued.  If you're going to argue let's look at the numbers. These are how much each franchise has sold this gen

 

Halo-28.99m and with Halo 4 that's going to increase

Gears of War-18.04m

Forza-11.45m

Total-58.48

 

Uncharted-14.57m

Gran Turismo-7.87m

God of War-7.53m

Total-29.97

 

Halo alone almost matches the totals for all three of Sony's exclusives.  With halo 4 it will pass all three. 

 

And Leo, so you said PSN is the best online service?  XBL has much more  respect for multiple reasons but I know what you're going to say.  FREE, am I correct.  Sorry but Steam is 10x better than PSN and it's also free.  

 

If you all really think it's ok for a company to go from making an insane amount of profits with the PS2 to losing billions with the ps3 you have a problem.  Graphics is not even noticeable between X360 and PS3, play pc if you wanna a difference.  600 dollars was a huge mistake just like the Vita is making a huge mistake with making memory cards over priced and an expensive portable console.  Get rid of your bias opinions, Sales2099 is the only one correct here so I don't understand the argument here.  Please explain.

 

 




       

Oh here we go. Same old crap shouting the end of sony. The company is too big to ever go away.



Kenology said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
TheBardsSong said:
More doom articles I see, but for once they're not aimed at Nintendo

Last gen they were saying the same thing about Nintendo losing money as well,remember? People were wondering if Nintendo could even afford to join the new gen.

What?  Nintendo losing money last gen?

Nintendo was insanely profitable off the Cube and GBA.  I don't think that was ever a legit concern, just a false perception.


The Wii was insanely profitable. The Cube was not and the original Xbox never sold over 25 million consoles. The original Xbox had investors worrying whether there should be a second version of the console. You should've seen the internet for Nintendo though, they were talking about how Nintendo should just make games like Sega and call it a day back then. Everyone was talking about doom and gloom back then because Nintendo was now going head to head with huge corporations.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:

The Wii was insanely profitable. The Cube was not and the original Xbox never sold over 25 million consoles. The original Xbox had investors worrying whether there should be a second version of the console. You should've seen the internet for Nintendo though, they were talking about how Nintendo should just make games like Sega and call it a day back then. Everyone was talking about doom and gloom back then because Nintendo was now going head to head with huge corporations.

I don't think that's true.  The Cube didn't sell a ton of units but Nintendo sold a TON of software on that system.  The Gamecube was most certainly profitable.  I don't have the numbers to show, but I'm sure someone does...  Everyone who was talking about gloom and doom for Nintendo then were looking at the weekly Media Create/monthly NPD reports, they couldn't have been looking at Nintendo's financial statements becaue Nintendo was making a SHIT TON of money off the Gamecube.



http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2012/09/08/the-ten-year-decline-of-sony/

 

You would do well to read that article. The kind of hubris from your post is exactly what the corporation needs to get away from.

 

And for those saying the Vita will turn a profit by next year, Hirai himself said Sony doesn't plan to see profit from the Vita for the first three years.

 

http://www.examiner.com/article/sony-to-sell-playstation-vita-for-a-loss-profitable-3yrs

 

Some people on this board are in complete denial that Sony is hurting right now and needs to define better business strategies if it wants to stay afloat. The facts are right in front of you.



Kenology said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The Wii was insanely profitable. The Cube was not and the original Xbox never sold over 25 million consoles. The original Xbox had investors worrying whether there should be a second version of the console. You should've seen the internet for Nintendo though, they were talking about how Nintendo should just make games like Sega and call it a day back then. Everyone was talking about doom and gloom back then because Nintendo was now going head to head with huge corporations.

I don't think that's true.  The Cube didn't sell a ton of units but Nintendo sold a TON of software on that system.  The Gamecube was most certainly profitable.  I don't have the numbers to show, but I'm sure someone does...  Everyone who was talking about gloom and doom for Nintendo then were looking at the weekly Media Create/monthly NPD reports, they couldn't have been looking at Nintendo's financial statements becaue Nintendo was making a SHIT TON of money off the Gamecube.

Im talking about the reception or dare I say public perception on the interwebs, my friend...not the reality. I know Nintendo profitted off the Gamecube. people were responding to the 60/20/20 marketshare stranglehold Sony had. I didnt believe it then and I dont believe it in Sonys case as well. 



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Kenology said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The Wii was insanely profitable. The Cube was not and the original Xbox never sold over 25 million consoles. The original Xbox had investors worrying whether there should be a second version of the console. You should've seen the internet for Nintendo though, they were talking about how Nintendo should just make games like Sega and call it a day back then. Everyone was talking about doom and gloom back then because Nintendo was now going head to head with huge corporations.

I don't think that's true.  The Cube didn't sell a ton of units but Nintendo sold a TON of software on that system.  The Gamecube was most certainly profitable.  I don't have the numbers to show, but I'm sure someone does...  Everyone who was talking about gloom and doom for Nintendo then were looking at the weekly Media Create/monthly NPD reports, they couldn't have been looking at Nintendo's financial statements becaue Nintendo was making a SHIT TON of money off the Gamecube.

Im talking about the reception or dare I say public perception on the interwebs, my friend...not the reality. I know Nintendo profitted off the Gamecube. people were responding to the 60/20/20 marketshare stranglehold Sony had. I didnt believe it then and I dont believe it in Sonys case as well. 

Ok. But this sentence makes it should like you're saying the complete opposite: "The Wii was insanely profitable. The Cube was not..."



Kenology said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Kenology said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

The Wii was insanely profitable. The Cube was not and the original Xbox never sold over 25 million consoles. The original Xbox had investors worrying whether there should be a second version of the console. You should've seen the internet for Nintendo though, they were talking about how Nintendo should just make games like Sega and call it a day back then. Everyone was talking about doom and gloom back then because Nintendo was now going head to head with huge corporations.

I don't think that's true.  The Cube didn't sell a ton of units but Nintendo sold a TON of software on that system.  The Gamecube was most certainly profitable.  I don't have the numbers to show, but I'm sure someone does...  Everyone who was talking about gloom and doom for Nintendo then were looking at the weekly Media Create/monthly NPD reports, they couldn't have been looking at Nintendo's financial statements becaue Nintendo was making a SHIT TON of money off the Gamecube.

Im talking about the reception or dare I say public perception on the interwebs, my friend...not the reality. I know Nintendo profitted off the Gamecube. people were responding to the 60/20/20 marketshare stranglehold Sony had. I didnt believe it then and I dont believe it in Sonys case as well. 

Ok. But this sentence makes it should like you're saying the complete opposite: "The Wii was insanely profitable. The Cube was not..."

The cube was not insanely profitable. It did very well though.  They barely sold roughly a quarter of what the Wii attained in sales.