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sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
JayWood2010 said:

 

@Sales2099

@Jay520

@Leo-J

 

First off Sales2099 is the only one looking at this from a business persepective.  Leo is taking this from a bias perspective, and  Jay you just, idk.   Everything Sales2099 has said that I've read is correct.  Yes Madden is huge btw why do you guys think they sale it every year.  Can you imagine how much profits they are getting out of a game that barely has to update each year?   

 

Halo/Gears/Forza is way bigger than Sony's first party.  I don't even know why this is being argued.  If you're going to argue let's look at the numbers. These are how much each franchise has sold this gen

 

Halo-28.99m and with Halo 4 that's going to increase

Gears of War-18.04m

Forza-11.45m

Total-58.48

 

Uncharted-14.57m

Gran Turismo-7.87m

God of War-7.53m

Total-29.97

 

Halo alone almost matches the totals for all three of Sony's exclusives.  With halo 4 it will pass all three. 

 

And Leo, so you said PSN is the best online service?  XBL has much more  respect for multiple reasons but I know what you're going to say.  FREE, am I correct.  Sorry but Steam is 10x better than PSN and it's also free.  

 

If you all really think it's ok for a company to go from making an insane amount of profits with the PS2 to losing billions with the ps3 you have a problem.  Graphics is not even noticeable between X360 and PS3, play pc if you wanna a difference.  600 dollars was a huge mistake just like the Vita is making a huge mistake with making memory cards over priced and an expensive portable console.  Get rid of your bias opinions, Sales2099 is the only one correct here so I don't understand the argument here.  Please explain.

 

 


Thats great bro. Microsoft might have three titles that are strong, but those sales are supplemented by the fact that Sony has way more games for potential sales.

Which mostly fall below the radar.....

Very true, you're both right in some respect, but the fact remains that a good enough percentage of Sonys first party becomes known throughout aspects of its  respective generation and carries over. Microsoft forced Sony into a position that caused Sonys first party to become greater than ever before. At least you could admit that. The sale of all of the games supplement the cause. 

Agreed. People dont notice it but I do: Sony is adopting the 1st string, second string, 3rd string exclusive approach like MS. Basically is that top 3 list above.

Before Sony was content to have their games sell all evenly and what not. Because PS2 was such a success, it mattered not how much they sell in the first place. Now......Sony needs "big guns", something MS allready adopted from the start. Were gonna see a lot of Sony downsizing of their "below the radar studios" in the coming years, mark my words. Hell, it is allready happening.


Sony said Microsofts method of focusing on on a couple strong games has affected their method of development. Of course they arent going to develop as little as Microsoft but they are going to eliminate the waste and focus on the potential high sellers. You bring up a good point, Sales. I didnt even remember this until now. Yep, Sony will be cutting back.



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Lafiel said:
sales2099 said:
Lafiel said:
sales2099 said:


We dont need Kinect Adventures to make our point. And some people dont consider a priced demo as legitimate. If MS sold us a Forza 3 demo for 80 ($1) MS points, maybe we should count those sales too no? Please. Still a debate to this day.

but you consider a game with miniscule yearly updates to be "legitimate" ? kinda kills your argument about Madden

and Gran Turismo was priced at $40, so that's way different then a hypothetical $1 demo

Not really. The games are considered "full" games for the respective years. There is no "Madden Prologue 13". The word "prologue" in its very definition kinda kills the counting GT5 demo argument. It isnt my fault that GT fans were so starved for anything they can get that they needed to spend $40 on a demo......and people say MS are crooks. Point was demos, priced or not, shouldnt count. 

But this is neither here or there. The origional comparison was Uncharted vs GT.

Gran Turismo Prologue was a regular game release in a box like all other games and priced similarly. That they release another game with the same and more content at a later date is not unheard of or would you omit Oblivion regular edition sales because there is Oblivion game of the year edition ? Your point doesn't make sense to me - sales should be sales or are they not sales if they don't fit your bill mister sales?

Well, I'm already tired of talking to you guys, so don't bother to reply.

Look up Prologue in a dictionary. Thats all I have to say to you.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Lets make a list shall we?

Little Big Planet Karting

Playstation Allstars Battle Royale

Last of Us

Final Fantasy XIII Versus

The Last Guardian

Dust 514

Ni No Kuni (Extremely excited for that. So underrated!)

Beyond: Two Souls

God of War: Ascension

Sly Cooper: Thieves in time.

This is not even including the PSN games Sony is investing in.

As Sales2099 has said before most of these will go under the radar.  What are you not getting here?  I'm not talking about it from a fans perspective, from a business perspective.  And p.s.  XBLA has much more arcade games.  I dont even understand why you brought that up?  




       

sales2099 said:
Lafiel said:
sales2099 said:
Lafiel said:
sales2099 said:


We dont need Kinect Adventures to make our point. And some people dont consider a priced demo as legitimate. If MS sold us a Forza 3 demo for 80 ($1) MS points, maybe we should count those sales too no? Please. Still a debate to this day.

but you consider a game with miniscule yearly updates to be "legitimate" ? kinda kills your argument about Madden

and Gran Turismo was priced at $40, so that's way different then a hypothetical $1 demo

Not really. The games are considered "full" games for the respective years. There is no "Madden Prologue 13". The word "prologue" in its very definition kinda kills the counting GT5 demo argument. It isnt my fault that GT fans were so starved for anything they can get that they needed to spend $40 on a demo......and people say MS are crooks. Point was demos, priced or not, shouldnt count. 

But this is neither here or there. The origional comparison was Uncharted vs GT.

Gran Turismo Prologue was a regular game release in a box like all other games and priced similarly. That they release another game with the same and more content at a later date is not unheard of or would you omit Oblivion regular edition sales because there is Oblivion game of the year edition ? Your point doesn't make sense to me - sales should be sales or are they not sales if they don't fit your bill mister sales?

Well, I'm already tired of talking to you guys, so don't bother to reply.

Look up Prologue in a dictionary. Thats all I have to say to you.

 

prologue is like the opening and a introduction. a demo is a reference rather than a release.


VicViper said:

On the Vita front maybe... On PS4, no... still a huge brand, probably the biggest of the three (but while not on red alert, a cautious yellow alert is wise)

I think the safer one is MS, really (outside Nintendo in Japan).
Sony must differentiate a little more this time from the Xbox though... I really don't think they can take another round with them, being as similar as this gen. MS is just too powerful to be taken head-on. The famous gap is 2 million in reality, but if you take off Japan (where MS never had or will have a chance) it becomes even bigger... showing how much space Sony lost to them in the west this gen, and how much MS grew... and that happened while Sony did a super fine job (better than MS to most, including me) on game develoment


Actually the only place where Sony really lost to MS is USA. In all of Europe (minus UK) PS3 outsold X360 as well as almost everywhere else in the world. You said if you take off Japan gap would be even bigger, but if you take off US, 360 probably wouldnt even be at the market now. Sony is making a strong userbase in developing countries and those are proven to be quite useful, especially after the gen was over (look at the PS2) and when those countries economies grow, and become comparable to those of the West, Sony will have tremendous advantige in the ''console race''



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Player1x3 said:


Actually the only place where Sony really lost to MS is USA. In all of Europe (minus UK) PS3 outsold X360 as well as almost everywhere else in the world. You said if you take off Japan gap would be even bigger, but if you take off US, 360 probably wouldnt even be at the market now. Sony is making a strong userbase in developing countries and those are proven to be quite useful, especially after the gen was over (look at the PS2) and when those countries economies grow, and become comparable to those of the West, Sony will have tremendous advantige in the ''console race'


I'm not saying they're losing. I'm saying how much they lost.



JayWood2010 said:

 

@Sales2099

@Jay520

@Leo-J

 

First off Sales2099 is the only one looking at this from a business persepective.  Leo is taking this from a bias perspective, and  Jay you just, idk.   Everything Sales2099 has said that I've read is correct.  Yes Madden is huge btw why do you guys think they sale it every year.  Can you imagine how much profits they are getting out of a game that barely has to update each year?   

sales2099 is GeneralMLD. Enough said... 

Halo/Gears/Forza is way bigger than Sony's first party.  I don't even know why this is being argued.  If you're going to argue let's look at the numbers. These are how much each franchise has sold this gen

Gran Turismo is bigger than all of those franchises, and Gears isnt exactly first party. 

 

Halo-28.99m and with Halo 4 that's going to increase Not really all that impresssive when you account the fact that H4 will be a 5th Halo game this gen, or were you counting all Halo games since Xbox, which makes this even less impressive?

Gears of War-18.04m Fair enough, I'll give you this one

Forza-11.45m That's actually quite poor, especially when compared to Gran Turismo and the fact that it had 3 games this gen and was heavly bundled

Total-58.48

 

Uncharted-14.57m Very good fir a new IP this gen

Gran Turismo-7.87m Only 1 gam this gen

God of War-7.53mOnly 1 actuall new game this gen

Total-29.97

 

Halo alone almost matches the totals for all three of Sony's exclusives.  With halo 4 it will pass all three. 

Same can be said for Gran Turismo, am I right?

And Leo, so you said PSN is the best online service?  XBL has much more  respect for multiple reasons but I know what you're going to say.  FREE, am I correct.  Sorry but Steam is 10x better than PSN and it's also free.

This is a matter of taste, but much more respect? I've never heard this one before. And guess what? PS3 also has Steam !!! 

 

If you all really think it's ok for a company to go from making an insane amount of profits with the PS2 to losing billions with the ps3 you have a problem.  Graphics is not even noticeable between X360 and PS3, play pc if you wanna a difference.  600 dollars was a huge mistake just like the Vita is making a huge mistake with making memory cards over priced and an expensive portable console.  Get rid of your bias opinions, Sales2099 is the only one correct here so I don't understand the argument here.  Please explain.

Dont act like Microsoft was all rainbows and roses either. They were bleading billions with original Xbox and 360 as well all up until 2009. And gaming division was actually one of the more profitable/less problematic divisions in Sony. They themselves said that they were gonna rely more on thier gaming and music divisions more in the future. Its not like PS3 or just Playstation alone are responsible for Sony's losses. There are millions more factors to add. PS3 itself has been profitable since 2010. And yes I agree, 600 dollars was a mistake, but so was RROD

 



 

 

@Sales2099

@Jay520

@Leo-J

 

First off Sales2099 is the only one looking at this from a business persepective.  Leo is taking this from a bias perspective, and  Jay you just, idk.   Everything Sales2099 has said that I've read is correct.  Yes Madden is huge btw why do you guys think they sale it every year.  Can you imagine how much profits they are getting out of a game that barely has to update each year?   

sales2099 is GeneralMLD. Enough said... 

Halo/Gears/Forza is way bigger than Sony's first party.  I don't even know why this is being argued.  If you're going to argue let's look at the numbers. These are how much each franchise has sold this gen

Gran Turismo is bigger than all of those franchises, and Gears isnt exactly first party. 

 

Halo-28.99m 35.53 and with Halo 4 that's going to increase. Every Halo game has sold over 6 million except Halo Wars.  That's not impressive though, ok? Not really all that impresssive when you account the fact that H4 will be a 5th Halo game this gen, or were you counting all Halo games since Xbox, which makes this even less impressive? 

Gears of War-18.04m As you said for Uncharted, Very good fir a new ip. Fair enough, I'll give you this one

Forza-11.45mWe actually replaced Forza but it has also outsold every single Sony exclusive. Gran Turismo took 6 years to make a game.  Critically Forza has been better too. That's actually quite poor, especially when compared to Gran Turismo and the fact that it had 3 games this gen and was heavly bundled

Total-58.48

 

Uncharted-14.57m Very good fir a new IP this gen

Gran Turismo-7.87m Only 1 gam this gen

God of War-7.53mOnly 1 actuall new game this gen

Total-29.97

 

Halo alone almost matches the totals for all three of Sony's exclusives.  With halo 4 it will pass all three. 

Same can be said for Gran Turismo, am I right?

And Leo, so you said PSN is the best online service?  XBL has much more  respect for multiple reasons but I know what you're going to say.  FREE, am I correct.  Sorry but Steam is 10x better than PSN and it's also free.

This is a matter of taste, but much more respect? I've never heard this one before. And guess what? PS3 also has Steam !!! 

PS3 does not have steam.  Wow you are just wow.  Im on steam ever day, if PS3 had steam i'd know it.  It has crossplay with steam.  Completely different.

 

 

 




       

JayWood2010 - there are two sides of one thing. MS know much better, how to sell games (remember that big advertisements about halo ? ) Sony on other hand is a value - in players hearts. What i want to say is, MS has been focused mainly on profit, while sony on games for players.. MS know, that it is better to make only some games (from their 1st party) and they know their audience .. on other hand Sony just try to cover all the genres.. which wasn't the best choise this generation from bussiness point. .. especially, when mobile phones step up..

And this is, why you are correct - from bussiness perspective. The question is - what`s better - to make games for one or two groups of people but with great sales, or to cover broad audience but many of the titles will be offradar and with loses at the end.

We will see it round 3 years i think..



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“If you look at the upcoming Christmas market, the Wii will be selling in very low volumes – it’s on its way out – and the Wii U will arrive, but it will bring in a relatively small number of early adopter consumers. We see ourselves well positioned for the casual market who won’t buy Wii U on day one. We’ve got a wow moment, we feel. I remember when people picked up the Wii controller for the first time, that was a big moment, it was a casual market breakthrough, but we thing we’ve got a casual market breakthrough as well with Wonderbook and the lowest priced PS3 yet.” – Sony’s Managing Director of PSUK, Fergal Gara

Whoa, I completely forgot about Wonderbook. If that’s what Sony is banking on to help them win the casual market… yikes. Don’t get your hopes up, Sony! Of course, they also had some nice words for the Big N when discussing casual markets:

“If you look at the casual market overall in the last few years, there’s no doubt that the kings of that market has been Nintendo, they have done a great job with a great product.”

Via CVG

 

Casual is a way to go for Sony. Not abandoning the core side, but it's innvitable a little change of focus