O.T. True but they also said that the Vita is selling within expectations and that they are fixing their T.v. devision only to turn around and create a 25,000 4k t.v so I usually take what a large corporations say with a grain of salt. O.P. could very well be profitable how much Idk

And that link to some internet forum thread with a poll of less than 30 people was the most sound peice of evidence that's ever graced my eyes.

Vita selling with expectations - What were the expectations in question?
They're fixing their t.v. division - Do they know what needs to be done?

"With numbers like we have, it goes without saying that Home has been a huge success for our company, something that we have been very proud of," - There's NO question you can raise against this. They said point blank that it's a success and they're proud of it.  

(and your comment regarding 4k means nothing. A few 4k models doesn't mean that they'll be producing nothing but 4k tv model... It's perfectly fine to provide both enthusiast products on a small scale and mass consumer products on a large scale. It's expected of a company like SONY.)

1) As soon as Sony lets you or me see its financial records, we will settle this definitively, but until then, I maintain Home is a failure and is not profitable.

2) I maintan both have similarities and both have dfferences. What are you disagreeing with? Or is it that you're saying Home and Live have nothing in common?

3) What? look, you're wasting my time. Please read my comments properly before you comment. I said, as always, Home is a failure, and thus, not profitable because it never appealed to the mainstream gamers, but appealed only to those that like doing virtual running man all day instead of playing standalone/acutal games. I never contradicted myself.

1.) Fine, If you think personal opinion and anecdotes are more meaningful than a company's own words, then go right ahead. Keep in mind though, personal opinions and anecdotes does very little to prove your assertion. To the rest of the world, you're just spitting out random claims with no justification.

2.) You're changing goals. Now, you're saying Home and Live merely have similarities. But earlier, you were saying " Home was suppose to be the equivalent of Xbox live"

Funny how you go from "being the equivalent to Xbox live" to saying they "both have similarities and differences."  So are you agreeing that your earlier statement (that  Home was suppose to be the equivalent of Xbox live) is false?

3.) This is starting to become funny

Here is You saying that Home is a failure because it doesn't appeal to mainstream gamers:

 you telling me that Home was not meant for mainstream gamers? Well no wonder it didn't make any money. No wonder it is a failure and fit for a small minority

Here is me saying that just because it's not for mainstream gamers doesn't mean it's a failure:

  Not appealing to mainstream =/= failure and didn't make any money. You're trying to equate "fitting for a small minority" to "being a failure." That's simply not true.

Here is You denying that you ever said Home is a failure because it doesn't appeal to mainstream gamers:

 I never said that.

Here is Me quoting you when you said because Home isn't meant for, then it's a failure :

 You just said " Ha ha, you telling me that Home was not meant for mainstream gamers? Well no wonder it didn't make any money. No wonder it is a failure and fit for a small minority that think it's better to do the virtual running man and watch Sony movie trailers all day than play actaul games."

Now, here is You saying Home is a failure because it doesn't appeal to mainstream gamers:

 gamHome is a failure, and thus, not profitable because it never appealed to the mainstream gamers

I really don't care to, because it should be obvious why the article is BS. But I think I have 5 min of my life to waste - better here than on Home.

1) The article has done no indipendent research to find out whether Home really is profitable or the biggest Sony flop ever. The article instead relies on a quote from the SONY HOME DIRECTOR! I mean that is like asking Al-Qaeda if they are a terrorist organisation - you're always going to get a biased view. So, of course the director of Home is going to say only good things about his product.

Plus I trust nothng that comes out of Sony themselves, like the PS3 having 4k resolution and 2 HDMI ports lol Or that the Vita is a succes, after having piss poor launch sales and still can't catch itself? Nothing out of Sony is the truth.

2) Then the guy give some random junk and says "We've released over 5,000 virtual items on the platform, and we know that once those items reach maturity, they are profitable. So you see us creating a tremendous amount of virtual items, because it is such a high margin business for us to be in." Nowhere in that load monkey spin did the guy say they sold anything. What does he mean by "reach maturity", is he talking about teenagers, stocks, apples, breasts, what? Did they ever reach maturity? Plus since when does being in a "high margin busineess" equate to you making any money or being profitable? This just a load of speculative BS. Plus who says that selling trinkets in Home is a high margin business? Did Donald Trump say so, or maybe Warren Buffett?

Pure Sony spin and BS and that is why I think the whole article is BS.

lol, you can't be serious. Stop wasting my time, please. In fact, just learn to Comprehend while your're Reading people's posts.

Ah...the common response from people who realize they've backed themself up into a corner. Listen dude, there's no need to get upset and question other people'comprehension skills. You don't have to do this. This isn't the only way. You have options.

You can just man up and admit that you've made a mistake (Either a typographical error or you were just misinformed). Don't worry, you aren't going to lose any respect points for admitting you made a mistake. In fact, people would respect you more because people rarely admit when they're wrong. But if you continue to defend an assertion that's clearly false, then you will lose respect. People won't think of you as an honest poster anymore. They'll think of you as that guy that debates just to win by anymeans necessary, not to find the truth. They'll think of you as that guy that continues to argue even when he knows he's wrong. Don't be that guy. Just admit you're wrong. I know it's hard but people will respect you for it. And they will value your opinion more, because they know you can accept when you're wrong.

Or you could give up on the argument altogether and just start attacking those that respond to you. That's what it looks like you're doing now. This is not what you want to do so. This is the route to shame. Doing this will bring much dishonor to your name. Any respect you've earned on this site will be erased. What you're doing is trying to get me to stop. But you know you can't do that by continuing the debate because you know you've lost. So you try to annoy/attack/confuse me with posts like the one you just left. It's quite shameful, tbh. Please don't go down this route, I'll be very dissapointed. 

You could also try to take the light-hearted approach and pretend like you were joking the entire time. This isn't as good as admitting you were wrong, but at least it leads to some closure to the discussion. It gives you and your debaters peace.

Or you could just leave the thread forever. Pretend as if you forget you were ever even here. This is a safe route. You don't gain respect nor do you lose respect. From my experience, most seem to choose this path. You admit to yourself that you're wrong, but you don't admit it to others. That's cool. At least you don't continue to annoy others with unsupported assertions. Again, it's closure so that's good. This is a cowards way out though, imo (though I admit, I've done this plenty of times). You want to get out of the debate, but you don't want to admit you're wrong. You don't want any more attention because you know you're only going to dig youself into a deeper hole. So you slip silently into the darkness, if you will.

The choice is yours.

I haven't used home myself but I have a few psn mates that use it quite alot and have poured alot of money into it, those kinda games survive on people constantly purchasing dlc.

haha; sigh. You guys are too funny. I think DaRev probably went in with a bad argument. I am pretty sure in 2010 when they ask Jack Buser he is telling the truth. Even if he's the director of Home if it was not profitable I am sure he will just spin it and say something like "It is a important platform for us, we are to continue to evolve the business"...

But he didn't spin it, he just said, "we are profitable".

To me..that's not PR talk. PR talk is the first one. This is basically saying we are making money. It maybe 1 dollar, or maybe 1 million dollar, but we are in the green...