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Kenology said:
DanneSandin said:
Kenology said:

1.5 is still a great deal of power.  50% more power!  I'm not convinced the Wii was 1.5x more powerful than the Gamecube to be completely honest.  While I don't think the Gamecube could run games like Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2 at 60fps with all the shaders and physics going on, or Xenoblade with its complex and expansive geometry, I don't think it was too far behind in terms of tech. 

We'll really start to see what the Wii U is made of once Retro, Monolith, and one of EAD's Tokyo Dev Groups gets ahold of it. 

All this talk about Wii U's horsepower will be forgotten once we see all these franchises in glorious HD.  Just you wait.

If it's only 50%-100% more powerful it's gonna bomb... There's no reason for the HD crowd to upgrade and WiiU's only gonna sell 20m again...

I sincerely hope you're wrong Keno =) But I'm sure you're right that we'll see the true capabilites when Retro and Monolith unveils their project!

The Wii didn't bomb...


The Wii had one hell of a hook though that no one had seen before really. The "get grandpa off the couch and lets all play together! It's so funny!" thing had novelty factor off the charts.

Now it's old hat.



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They are just credit rating companies, what's the big deal?



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the2real4mafol said:
They are just credit rating companies, what's the big deal?

 

It means that Sony is going to have pay interest on all their debt (which is considerable) and that they can't borrow money as easily to do things like try and money-match Microsoft on marketing/exclusives (if say MS decides to start bidding wars for certain titles for example).

It also scares away investors, no one likes to invest in companies with a bad credit rating. Probably will force Sony to not take hardware losses (or too heavy at least) as well.



It is now just waiting for the incoming financial numbers...



 

sales2099 said:
VGKing said:
DOOOOOM!

I don't really give a f**k. They still seem to be pumping out great AAA games.
Vita is a different story though...

Ya you and all other PS3 fans dont give a f**k..........until they close a studio. Then its all "WTH happened?!?!!?" 

FYI.......the only AAA game they released this year was Journey.....and the dev announced they are going multiplat. Seems Sony couldnt afford to renew the exclusivity contract. 

Huh. 

Taking shite as usual. The contract with ThatGameCompany was up after Journey so they signed a 3 game contract with Giant Sparrow. Know your stuff before trying to belittle someone.



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maverick40 said:
sales2099 said:
VGKing said:
DOOOOOM!

I don't really give a f**k. They still seem to be pumping out great AAA games.
Vita is a different story though...

Ya you and all other PS3 fans dont give a f**k..........until they close a studio. Then its all "WTH happened?!?!!?" 

FYI.......the only AAA game they released this year was Journey.....and the dev announced they are going multiplat. Seems Sony couldnt afford to renew the exclusivity contract. 

Huh. 

Taking shite as usual. The contract with ThatGameCompany was up after Journey so they signed a 3 game contract with Giant Sparrow. Know your stuff before trying to belittle someone.

This was an old post. Just saying Sony COULD have renewed it if they wanted to. guess not. No more exclusive artsy PSN games, just saying. Your explanation doesnt change that fact



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 said:
maverick40 said:
sales2099 said:
VGKing said:
DOOOOOM!

I don't really give a f**k. They still seem to be pumping out great AAA games.
Vita is a different story though...

Ya you and all other PS3 fans dont give a f**k..........until they close a studio. Then its all "WTH happened?!?!!?" 

FYI.......the only AAA game they released this year was Journey.....and the dev announced they are going multiplat. Seems Sony couldnt afford to renew the exclusivity contract. 

Huh. 

Taking shite as usual. The contract with ThatGameCompany was up after Journey so they signed a 3 game contract with Giant Sparrow. Know your stuff before trying to belittle someone.

This was an old post. Just saying Sony COULD have renewed it if they wanted to. guess not. No more exclusive artsy PSN games, just saying. Your explanation doesnt change that fact


I don't know why people bother with you..........you're nothing but a 360 fanboy.



Soundwave said:
the2real4mafol said:
They are just credit rating companies, what's the big deal?

 

It means that Sony is going to have pay interest on all their debt (which is considerable) and that they can't borrow money as easily to do things like try and money-match Microsoft on marketing/exclusives (if say MS decides to start bidding wars for certain titles for example).

It also scares away investors, no one likes to invest in companies with a bad credit rating. Probably will force Sony to not take hardware losses (or too heavy at least) as well.

I know sony didn't keep control of their money very well, but it's not fair on them as it really gives the competetion an advantage. And investment is what sony needs to better it's self, a bit like Greece 



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the2real4mafol said:
They are just credit rating companies, what's the big deal?

They are actually a very big deal. Standard and Poor's, Moody's and Fitch Ratings are considered 'The Big Three', which are the three most prominent rating companies around. Basically, if they speak, others listen, because they are the ones who rate corporations and countries alike. When the ratings for those three go down, the interest rates on debt and borrowing costs rise, sometimes a great deal, and which means that the company in question will require more money to pay back the totals, because of those larger interest rates.

Basically, a company's credit rating isn't that much different than a normal person's. If you have a bad rating, you won't be able to manage some things (like buying a car or house on credit) and, when you do, they'll see you as higher risk and will make you pay back more because of that risk. Here's a link to explanations on credit ratings and how they work.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/00/091800.asp#axzz29OgOtmIA

Same thing for a company, but instead of having to pay a few hundred dollars more per month on your mortgage, we're talking the realm of tens of billions of dollars. That usually means that return pay on the debt is billions as well when your credit rating is bad enough. Basically, it amounts to 'the lower your rating, the more of your profit you're paying into payments and interest on your debt'.



CChaos said:
the2real4mafol said:
They are just credit rating companies, what's the big deal?

They are actually a very big deal. Standard and Poor's, Moody's and Fitch Ratings are considered 'The Big Three', which are the three most prominent rating companies around. Basically, if they speak, others listen, because they are the ones who rate corporations and countries alike. When the ratings for those three go down, the interest rates on debt and borrowing costs rise, sometimes a great deal, and which means that the company in question will require more money to pay back the totals, because of those larger interest rates.

Basically, a company's credit rating isn't that much different than a normal person's. If you have a bad rating, you won't be able to manage some things (like buying a car or house on credit) and, when you do, they'll see you as higher risk and will make you pay back more because of that risk. Here's a link to explanations on credit ratings and how they work.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/00/091800.asp#axzz29OgOtmIA

Same thing for a company, but instead of having to pay a few hundred dollars more per month on your mortgage, we're talking the realm of tens of billions of dollars. That usually means that return pay on the debt is billions as well when your credit rating is bad enough. Basically, it amounts to 'the lower your rating, the more of your profit you're paying into payments and interest on your debt'.

I've heard of S&P, moodys etc. and know what they did basically but just don't really see the point in their existence. It's make the competition between countries or companies even more unfair than it should do in my view, even if a company like sony is in bad shape financially, all they seem to do is, make it harder for a company like sony to recover, while say microsoft or apple continue to grow rapidly, as they get a big advantage from sony's weak position. In terms of countries, it's the same thing America and Europe get it easy, while Africa which was not given a chance is left poor and without investment. I guess I don't understand how the financial system works, but it don't seem to fair to me



Xbox One, PS4 and Switch (+ Many Retro Consoles)

'When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called the people's stick'- Mikhail Bakunin

Prediction: Switch will sell better than Wii U Lifetime Sales by Jan 1st 2018