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Tridrakious on 29 September 2012
kowenicki said:
Tridrakious said:
d21lewis said:
Mummelmann said:
d21lewis said:
One of the reasons why I don't think there is ever going to be a Playstation 4.


This is also why the PS3 was discontinued after three years on the market like everyone said.

 

Hey, I'm as optimistic as they come.  I believed in the Wii when everybody was dogging it, I grabbed a 360 when it didn't sell very well during its first year, I repeated that the PS3 would come into  its own after the initial slump, I said time and time again that the 3DS would be fine after its first Christmas, I bought a Dreamcast a week before Sega quit the console business, and I didn't sell my VIta, yet.  I think that the Wii U and next Xbox are going to be the only consoles on the market for a long time.  Sony will say that the PS3 still has untapped potential and, unlike the competition, there was no need to create a new console but I think that will be a smoke screen.

It's just something I believe, though.  I"ve been wrong before.

It will be an interesting turn if Sony can keep the PS3 a viable platform that sells at least 7 to 8 million units a year for about 2 to 3 years after the Next Xbox and Wii U launch. Interesting because Sony could pitch to third parties that the PS3 has a stronger userbase than the new systems and it's a platform they have used countless times in the past.

Whereas with the Wii U and Xbox 720, there isn't much of a base yet. Games like The Last of Us, God of War: Ascension, Beyond: Two Souls and Potentially another PS3 Killzone will push hardware. Showing that third parties will have a safer time staying with the current generation of hardware, while Microsoft and Nintendo are pushing developers and publishers to jump to even more expensive hardware.

Can Sony pull that off, hell no. But it would be an interesting tactic if they could.

Yeah because that worked for them at the start of this gen didnt it.  and then they had the utterly dominant PS2.  If they are last out again this time, it will be much worse than it was at the start of this gen.

I think Japan is already a lost cause to WiiU and if the next box gets a year start in the Us its already over there too.

But they were replacing the PS2 with the PS3. Which I've either stated in this thread or in another one somewhere that Sony had a terrible launch for the PS3. With that experience they could prep the PS4 for a much better launch to help with the transition to a new PlayStation platform.

I also stated in the quote statement from me that Sony couldn't pull it off. It would be an interesting tactic if they could, but Sony seems immune to gaining experience.



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MB1025 on 03 October 2012
Tridrakious said:
d21lewis said:
Mummelmann said:
d21lewis said:
One of the reasons why I don't think there is ever going to be a Playstation 4.


This is also why the PS3 was discontinued after three years on the market like everyone said.

 

Hey, I'm as optimistic as they come.  I believed in the Wii when everybody was dogging it, I grabbed a 360 when it didn't sell very well during its first year, I repeated that the PS3 would come into  its own after the initial slump, I said time and time again that the 3DS would be fine after its first Christmas, I bought a Dreamcast a week before Sega quit the console business, and I didn't sell my VIta, yet.  I think that the Wii U and next Xbox are going to be the only consoles on the market for a long time.  Sony will say that the PS3 still has untapped potential and, unlike the competition, there was no need to create a new console but I think that will be a smoke screen.

It's just something I believe, though.  I"ve been wrong before.

It will be an interesting turn if Sony can keep the PS3 a viable platform that sells at least 7 to 8 million units a year for about 2 to 3 years after the Next Xbox and Wii U launch. Interesting because Sony could pitch to third parties that the PS3 has a stronger userbase than the new systems and it's a platform they have used countless times in the past.

Whereas with the Wii U and Xbox 720, there isn't much of a base yet. Games like The Last of Us, God of War: Ascension, Beyond: Two Souls and Potentially another PS3 Killzone will push hardware. Showing that third parties will have a safer time staying with the current generation of hardware, while Microsoft and Nintendo are pushing developers and publishers to jump to even more expensive hardware.

Can Sony pull that off, hell no. But it would be an interesting tactic if they could.


How would Sony have a stronger user base? Are the people who played the 360 and Wii just going to not buy the next console?



daralee on 04 October 2012

This is the common scenario of our financial status. The good thing is that we can still boost our credit score. Everyone who has ever attempted to increase their credit rating knows that there are a lot of aspects involved. If you want to boost the score, you need to be prepared to take out a loan. There is no other way to show that you are deserving of getting a loan apparently.



Cyrus_ATX on 05 October 2012

Ops!! sorry



selnor on 12 October 2012

Ouch. This is really really bad for Sony. I don't expect PS4 before 2015. If at all. Sonys now in huge trouble.



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Galaki on 12 October 2012
selnor said:
Ouch. This is really really bad for Sony. I don't expect PS4 before 2015. If at all. Sonys now in huge trouble.

Everything's fine. Sony bought Gaikai.



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selnor on 12 October 2012
Galaki said:
selnor said:
Ouch. This is really really bad for Sony. I don't expect PS4 before 2015. If at all. Sonys now in huge trouble.

Everything's fine. Sony bought Gaikai.



Im worried. Seriously. This latest development isnt good at all.

I hate to say a company of Sonys herratige and calibur crumble like this.



DanneSandin on 12 October 2012

Regarding these last turn of events I'm gonna go a head and make a prediction.

PS4 will launch in October 2013.
It'll cost between 30.000 - 35.000 yen, which will be something like $/€349 - $/€399. Sony will be making a modest profit (at the very least) from the get go.
And it'll be about 5-6x as powerful as PS3 (<-- I have no idea if this is doable considering the price I just listed, it's just a hunch).
They might even launch a StreamStation for 15.000 - 20.000 yen ($/€199 - $/€249) without any Blu-ray and disc reading capabilities; this'll be a Gaikai console of sorts.

That's my thoughts regarding their financial situation.



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Cobretti2 on 12 October 2012
selnor said:
Galaki said:
selnor said:
Ouch. This is really really bad for Sony. I don't expect PS4 before 2015. If at all. Sonys now in huge trouble.

Everything's fine. Sony bought Gaikai.



Im worried. Seriously. This latest development isnt good at all.

I hate to say a company of Sonys herratige and calibur crumble like this.

I sencond this. I too am worried.

I remember the days when if you didn't have a SONY TV you were considered an outcast. Now most people I knwo buy Samsung products.



 

 

Soundwave on 12 October 2012

How does this impact the development of the PS4?

Obviously it's not good for Sony, but I imagine PS4 is a relatively straight forward piece of kit, probably mostly off the shelf PC parts (a 28nm 7xxx GPU, maybe 2GB GDDR5 + 2GB DDR3, decent CPU) optimized for gaming.

Shouldn't be too hard to sell at $349.99 (basic)/$399.99 (premium) at a break even cost/slight loss initially by November 2013.

They are obviously are in tough to match Microsoft for marketing and other things like matching MS if they start bidding for 720 exclusives (that's uh-oh time for Sony), but they should be able to get PS4 to market without too much fuss.