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gergroy on 24 September 2012

yeah, we should encourage our students to work manual labor jobs for the rest of their lives instead of working towards cushy high paying jobs...*rolls eyes*



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HappySqurriel on 24 September 2012
gergroy said:
yeah, we should encourage our students to work manual labor jobs for the rest of their lives instead of working towards cushy high paying jobs...*rolls eyes*

Going to college does not neccessarily translate into a high paying career, and not getting a college education doesn't doom you to a low paying job.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/28/the-13-worst-paying-colle_n_911809.html#s317428&title=Children_and_Family

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-40-highest-paying-jobs-you-can-get-without-a-bachelors-degree-2012-8?op=1



gergroy on 24 September 2012
HappySqurriel said:
gergroy said:
yeah, we should encourage our students to work manual labor jobs for the rest of their lives instead of working towards cushy high paying jobs...*rolls eyes*

Going to college does not neccessarily translate into a high paying career, and not getting a college education doesn't doom you to a low paying job.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/28/the-13-worst-paying-colle_n_911809.html#s317428&title=Children_and_Family

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-40-highest-paying-jobs-you-can-get-without-a-bachelors-degree-2012-8?op=1


so you are cherry picking jobs?  why don't you look at the averages of those with college degrees versus those with high school degrees and lets look at the difference.

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=77

oh look at that, people with college degrees statistically make more, a lot more.  So yeah, we should encourage our students not to want that right?  



twesterm on 24 September 2012

This article is just plain stupid. I was going to write a long response but it isn't worth it. The author has a beef with liberal arts majors and that's that. Whooptee-dee-do.



 

Kasz216 on 24 September 2012

I wouldn't say that they have to stop telling kids to go to college.

Just stop telling kids to go to ANY college for ANY degree at ANY cost.

Too many people go to third rate colleges for overly declared degrees with huge student loans.

Change any one of those 3 factors and I think your odds generally improve quite a bit.



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Kasz216 on 24 September 2012
xwan said:
pokoko said:
xwan said:
Going to college is more than just getting a degree or earning a "useless major"; compare someone who only went to high school versus someone who went to college, the level of critical thinking is very different. And again, compare someone who went to college and someone who went to grad school there is yet another gap. There are materials you learn from your mentor, professors, and college level course you do not get in "trade" school.

Do you want a job, or do you want a career? Being an electrician is a job, being a successful entrepreneur is a career.

I, myself, have gone through 4 years of University with a biology major, then 4 years of medical school, and 3 years of internal medicine residency. That's 11 more years of schooling than people who did not go to college. The level of thinking, reasoning, degree of religious/political tolerance is totally different. I had plenty of friends who dropped out of high school, or finished high school and did not pursue college they seem to be stuck where they were 11 years ago when I hang out with them (nothing wrong with that i guess...).

And I hang out with my college friends, even though our discussions are more sophisticated, they are still less thoughtful than with my "doctor"-friends; I have to definitely adjust my conversation with my HS friends vs my college friends vs my medical school friends.

Education is never bad, if you don't think so that's because you haven't discover the wisdom in the books yet; most of u guys are young and probably in ur late teenage years. My only advice to you is keep reading, and keep your play time apart from your study time. I grew up as a gamer, didn't have the best grades in school. But hey, the only way to "level up" yourself is to study! There is no way around it.

Bullcrap and sophistry.  You do not automatically have better reasoning skills and religious/political tolerance (seriously?) because you went to college.  It also does not mean that you do not read as much as anyone in higher education.

I, myself, have owned two successful store-front businesses, which I sold for a profit after 3 and 5 years respectively.  That was before I went back to get my Associates degree.  Most of my classmates who went to college were puffing on joints and taking classes they did not care about while I was earning real-world experience dealing with customers, vendors, and employees.  Yes, college can be a good thing, but it certainly does not mean a person is more intelligent or capable than someone who did not go.

I am afraid you are wrong, it has been consistently shown that higher education leads to higher IQ and better critical thinking skills.

You've somehow got that amazingly backwords.

It's that people with higher IQs... and critical thinking skills are more likely to get into college.

These things lead to higher education, not the other way around.



xwan on 24 September 2012
Kasz216 said:
xwan said:
pokoko said:
xwan said:
Going to college is more than just getting a degree or earning a "useless major"; compare someone who only went to high school versus someone who went to college, the level of critical thinking is very different. And again, compare someone who went to college and someone who went to grad school there is yet another gap. There are materials you learn from your mentor, professors, and college level course you do not get in "trade" school.

Do you want a job, or do you want a career? Being an electrician is a job, being a successful entrepreneur is a career.

I, myself, have gone through 4 years of University with a biology major, then 4 years of medical school, and 3 years of internal medicine residency. That's 11 more years of schooling than people who did not go to college. The level of thinking, reasoning, degree of religious/political tolerance is totally different. I had plenty of friends who dropped out of high school, or finished high school and did not pursue college they seem to be stuck where they were 11 years ago when I hang out with them (nothing wrong with that i guess...).

And I hang out with my college friends, even though our discussions are more sophisticated, they are still less thoughtful than with my "doctor"-friends; I have to definitely adjust my conversation with my HS friends vs my college friends vs my medical school friends.

Education is never bad, if you don't think so that's because you haven't discover the wisdom in the books yet; most of u guys are young and probably in ur late teenage years. My only advice to you is keep reading, and keep your play time apart from your study time. I grew up as a gamer, didn't have the best grades in school. But hey, the only way to "level up" yourself is to study! There is no way around it.

Bullcrap and sophistry.  You do not automatically have better reasoning skills and religious/political tolerance (seriously?) because you went to college.  It also does not mean that you do not read as much as anyone in higher education.

I, myself, have owned two successful store-front businesses, which I sold for a profit after 3 and 5 years respectively.  That was before I went back to get my Associates degree.  Most of my classmates who went to college were puffing on joints and taking classes they did not care about while I was earning real-world experience dealing with customers, vendors, and employees.  Yes, college can be a good thing, but it certainly does not mean a person is more intelligent or capable than someone who did not go.

I am afraid you are wrong, it has been consistently shown that higher education leads to higher IQ and better critical thinking skills.

You've somehow got that amazingly backwords.

It's that people with higher IQs... and critical thinking skills are more likely to get into college.

These things lead to higher education, not the other way around.

I don't think so, there are plenty of smart people who are too lazy to go to college that do not succeed. There are plenty of people who are mediocre but hard working and work towards a degree that leads to a good paying job and a bright future.



RedInker on 24 September 2012

I wish I learned a trade instead of going to college. All the builders I see in work are loaded. Not glamourous but a nation will always need builders, electricians and plumbers etc.



HappySqurriel on 24 September 2012
gergroy said:

so you are cherry picking jobs?  why don't you look at the averages of those with college degrees versus those with high school degrees and lets look at the difference.

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=77

oh look at that, people with college degrees statistically make more, a lot more.  So yeah, we should encourage our students not to want that right?  


The problem is the averages distort the reality quite dramatically ...

For every petroleum engineer that is earning $150,000+ after 10 years there are 11 humanities majors that get their $30,000 salary boosted to the average of $40,000.

College is a great idea if you're career minded and heading into a field that is in demand in the region you live. It is a bad idea if you're going to school to discover your passion.



xwan on 24 September 2012
HappySqurriel said:
gergroy said:

so you are cherry picking jobs?  why don't you look at the averages of those with college degrees versus those with high school degrees and lets look at the difference.

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=77

oh look at that, people with college degrees statistically make more, a lot more.  So yeah, we should encourage our students not to want that right?  


The problem is the averages distort the reality quite dramatically ...

For every petroleum engineer that is earning $150,000+ after 10 years there are 11 humanities majors that get their $30,000 salary boosted to the average of $40,000.

College is a great idea if you're career minded and heading into a field that is in demand in the region you live. It is a bad idea if you're going to school to discover your passion.

I agreed with you; in general science major earn more than liberal arts and humanity major.