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Mazty said:
Kasz216 said:
Mazty said:
Kasz216 said:
Mazty said:


When the form factor is considered, the Wii U will be kicking out very little graphical power - most likely a slight improvement on 6 year old consoles. 

Side note: How come ""HAVE FUN! LMFAO! " isn't allowed yet TheSource can say innane babble like the Wii U is as powerful as a 2009 super computer which is saying its performance will be around 35,000 GFlops? 

Because "HAVE FUN! LMAO!" is pretty clear cut trolling.

While Source obviously wasn't talking about an actual super computer.  He obviously meant a good computer you'd buy in a store for the timeperiod.

To go crazy and complain about the phrasing like you are is extremely pedantic.

It's like flying off the handle at someone for complaining that they said they could care less.

Extremely pedantic? Super computer is an actual term - I'm not assigning some abritary definition to a phrase. Also his comment doesn't even hold up for a good gaming PC....it's just a post that's devoid of thought.

I could just as easily argue that calling HFLMAO trolling is being pedantic because you could very well have fun with the console so it's not even an insult, but just as pointless as the super computer remark...Pot,kettle,black...

Second off... yes.  It's extremely pedantic because anyone who is on this board knows he doesn't mean a computer built for massive research operations... it'd be silly to suggeest that he meant otherwise.

People use the term super computer "off brand" all the time.

I've never heard the term super computer be used "off brand" because using it wrong is like calling a cottage a mansion. Plus, as I've stated, the consoles weren't even close to being decent gaming PC's with the dates used - the comment was completely wrong no matter how liberally you look at it. 

In short, if you expect the power of a gaming PC from 09 from the Wii U, you will be very, very dissapointed. It's going to be more like an OC'd 8800GT with an OC'd dual core circa 06 - not super in anyway and certainly not suitable for the price tag. 

I've heard people refer to homes as mansions all the time when reffering to houses not classfied as mansions.

Also, outside the fact that consoles run better then pc's with similar hardware because of less restraints on the system because it's "dedicated".

I'd point out that he said "Let's say 09" as in he wasn't exactly sure on the date... making your complaints even more pedantic in nature.

If you want to argue the year is off sure... but the way in which you are doing it and trying to say he meant the kind of thing that's being used to crunch the physics of a black hole is well... extremely pedantic... and if you can't see how... I don't know what to tell you.

Additonally, care to post the average high end computer from 2009?  I mean, like an ad advertising what the high end sold in stores is?  So far you haven't actually backed anything up, but mention other parts that may or may not have been standard in a higher end computer at that time.

Seems like your intentionally argueing a completely different point.

Other people and sites seem to peg the GPU at 2009 like the Source did.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Wii-U-Seems-Too-Expensive-Specs-46908.html



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Mazty said:
Play4Fun said:
Mazty said:
 


When the form factor is considered, the Wii U will be kicking out very little graphical power - most likely a slight improvement on 6 year old consoles. 

 


Uh, no. Technology has actually progressed since consoles released 6/7 years ago.

A cheap GPU with very low TDP can moderately outperform those old consoles.

The e6760 is 35 watts on 40nm and performs slightly better than a HD 4850.


o.O Where did I say no progress has been made? If we consider the form factor of the Wii U (small) compared to the 360 (big) and original PS3 (monolith), then the fact that the wii U has a slight power improvement shows that progress has been made, although Nintendo have decided to go down the small and less powerful route rather then knocking out something the size of the 360 which is considerably more powerful. 


The 4850 has x2 the GFlops of the 6760 and 800 shaders processors compared to 480, so how are you concluding that the 6760 is slighty better? If anything it's more like the 4670. The wii U looks like it will demonstrate the advancements in fabrication miniaturization that have occured in the last 6 years, but then again, so does the new slim PS3...


You said, that due to the form factor, we can conclude that WiiU can only slightly outperform current consoles.

I used the e6760, a GPU that outperforms the 4850 (which is more than slightly more powerful than current gen in real world performance) as an example of a GPU with a low TDP but good performance yields.

The e6760 and the 4850 are different architectures, just because 4850 has twice the flops  doesn't mean it's more powerful. AMD's benchmark puts it above a 4850.

I'm not even going to comment on you trying to compare PS3 getting a die shrink to GPUs being built on new processes.



Kasz216 said:
Mazty said:

I've never heard the term super computer be used "off brand" because using it wrong is like calling a cottage a mansion. Plus, as I've stated, the consoles weren't even close to being decent gaming PC's with the dates used - the comment was completely wrong no matter how liberally you look at it. 

In short, if you expect the power of a gaming PC from 09 from the Wii U, you will be very, very dissapointed. It's going to be more like an OC'd 8800GT with an OC'd dual core circa 06 - not super in anyway and certainly not suitable for the price tag. 

I've heard people refer to homes as mansions all the time when reffering to houses not classfied as mansions.

Also, outside the fact that consoles run better then pc's with similar hardware because of less restraints on the system because it's "dedicated".

I'd point out that he said "Let's say 09" as in he wasn't exactly sure on the date... making your complaints even more pedantic in nature.

If you want to argue the year is off sure... but the way in which you are doing it and trying to say he meant the kind of thing that's being used to crunch the physics of a black hole is well... extremely pedantic... and if you can't see how... I don't know what to tell you.

Additonally, care to post the average high end computer from 2009?  I mean, like an ad advertising what the high end sold in stores is?  So far you haven't actually backed anything up, but mention other parts that may or may not have been standard in a higher end computer at that time.

Seems like your intentionally argueing a completely different point.

Other people and sites seem to peg the GPU at 2009 like the Source did.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Wii-U-Seems-Too-Expensive-Specs-46908.html


Cottage...not house but moving on, 3 years is hardly being pedantic considering Moore's Law. If we are talking about, say, glacial movement, 3 years is being pedantic. If we are talking about where someone was on the night of a crime, minute-accuracy is critical so as time is relevant to whatever is in question, in this instance 3 years is significantly off the mark.  By 2009 a high-end gaming machine (nvidia build) would be using a GTX 295 and an OC'd i7 with 16gb DDR3. Maybe a small OS SSD as well. No one buys high-end gaming PCs, or no serious gamer would, as it's much better to build them. 
That '2009' GPU was an $100 GPU showing that it wasn't even an enthusiast GPU in 2009, and in fact it came out in '08. It was by no means a high-end gaming card - more like a budget card, and ATI were trailing behind Nvidia in that chip gen. 

If the 6760 is being used, then the Wii U is going to be very much like a high-end gaming PC from 06. I imagine that if MS or Sony release anything next year, then those consoles may be far better value for money in terms of hardware. The Wii U is considerably weaker then my 18 month old GTX560 Ti, so to pay upwards of $300 for a lot less performance? Ouch, I'll take a rain check and see what 2013 holds. 



Play4Fun said:
Mazty said:
Play4Fun said:
Mazty said:
 


When the form factor is considered, the Wii U will be kicking out very little graphical power - most likely a slight improvement on 6 year old consoles. 

 


Uh, no. Technology has actually progressed since consoles released 6/7 years ago.

A cheap GPU with very low TDP can moderately outperform those old consoles.

The e6760 is 35 watts on 40nm and performs slightly better than a HD 4850.


o.O Where did I say no progress has been made? If we consider the form factor of the Wii U (small) compared to the 360 (big) and original PS3 (monolith), then the fact that the wii U has a slight power improvement shows that progress has been made, although Nintendo have decided to go down the small and less powerful route rather then knocking out something the size of the 360 which is considerably more powerful. 


The 4850 has x2 the GFlops of the 6760 and 800 shaders processors compared to 480, so how are you concluding that the 6760 is slighty better? If anything it's more like the 4670. The wii U looks like it will demonstrate the advancements in fabrication miniaturization that have occured in the last 6 years, but then again, so does the new slim PS3...


You said, that due to the form factor, we can conclude that WiiU can only slightly outperform current consoles.

I used the e6760, a GPU that outperforms the 4850 (which is more than slightly more powerful than current gen in real world performance) as an example of a GPU with a low TDP but good performance yields.

The e6760 and the 4850 are different architectures, just because 4850 has twice the flops  doesn't mean it's more powerful. AMD's benchmark puts it above a 4850.

I'm not even going to comment on you trying to compare PS3 getting a die shrink to GPUs being built on new processes.

Links to the benchmarks please. 



Seriously, who the hell cares, Mazty? Are you on a mission or something to convert all those dirty Nintendo peasants? If the Wii U has an E6760 GPGPU I am more than happy. You better have to deal with the fact that not everyone wants to have a fucking Midi tower besides their TV's. When I unboxed my PS3 slim earlier this year my eyes fell out and I literally triple checked the box if it really is the "slim" version.

There might very well have been GPU's in 2006 that could rival the E6760 IN POWER, but not as cost efficient and not at the same power consumption rate. So apples to oranges I guess.



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Mazty said:
Play4Fun said:
Mazty said:
Play4Fun said:
Mazty said:
 


When the form factor is considered, the Wii U will be kicking out very little graphical power - most likely a slight improvement on 6 year old consoles. 

 


Uh, no. Technology has actually progressed since consoles released 6/7 years ago.

A cheap GPU with very low TDP can moderately outperform those old consoles.

The e6760 is 35 watts on 40nm and performs slightly better than a HD 4850.


o.O Where did I say no progress has been made? If we consider the form factor of the Wii U (small) compared to the 360 (big) and original PS3 (monolith), then the fact that the wii U has a slight power improvement shows that progress has been made, although Nintendo have decided to go down the small and less powerful route rather then knocking out something the size of the 360 which is considerably more powerful. 


The 4850 has x2 the GFlops of the 6760 and 800 shaders processors compared to 480, so how are you concluding that the 6760 is slighty better? If anything it's more like the 4670. The wii U looks like it will demonstrate the advancements in fabrication miniaturization that have occured in the last 6 years, but then again, so does the new slim PS3...


You said, that due to the form factor, we can conclude that WiiU can only slightly outperform current consoles.

I used the e6760, a GPU that outperforms the 4850 (which is more than slightly more powerful than current gen in real world performance) as an example of a GPU with a low TDP but good performance yields.

The e6760 and the 4850 are different architectures, just because 4850 has twice the flops  doesn't mean it's more powerful. AMD's benchmark puts it above a 4850.

I'm not even going to comment on you trying to compare PS3 getting a die shrink to GPUs being built on new processes.

Links to the benchmarks please. 


I'm sorry, I don't work at AMD.

It's a claim they put up on the features and specifications sheet of the GPU.

You say you know technology progresses, yet you seem to have difficulty believing a 2011 GPU could actually be more pwoerful than a 2008 GPU while consuming less power.



Baron said:
HoloDust said:
Play4Fun said:

The e6760 is 35 watts on 40nm and performs slightly better than a HD 4850.


Actually, 4850 is some 1.4x more powerfull than e6760 - you should not compare e6760 with 6670, but with slightly downclocked 6570 (or 6650M but with GDDR5)


How did you arrive at 1.4 times more powerful. I can't find a 4850 vs e6760 comparison anywhere. All we have is the 3DMark Vantage score of the e6760 with an AMD Athlon II X2 620 which is 5870. There are no game benchmarks of the e6760 anywhere.

The best comparison I could find is the 4850 Vantage score of 6805. But that's with a more powerful cpu, the Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9650.

Anyway, that is nowhere near 1.4x 5870. And factoring in that the QX9650 is roughly 50% more powerful than the 620 I'd say the 4850 is actually weaker than the e6760.

Go to www.3Dmark.com and under Results/Advanced search put Athlon x4 620 into CPU field, and 4850 into GPU field (than when results show up select number of GPUs: 1) - you will see that P scores are 9500+ for that combo, and that's actually some 1.6x of e6760

EDIT: If you compare pure GPU scores (taking into acount that e6760 is slighlty downclocked 6570) it's even worse - difference is 2x)



Yes, it's middle-low end, but today's middle-low end means the performances of middle-high end a few years ago, and almost surely far better performances than the mid-range 2005-2006 GPUs used by PS3 and XB360. So, decent performaces at a decent price and with just 35W power consumption (according to standard version's data sheet, most probably Ninty uses a customised version), that's quite important for a console, with a far smaller case than a PC. Add a power saving CPU, an optical drive, and all the other components, and WiiU still manages to stay around 75W under full load (although it must be said that Wii is a lot more frugal): that's less than half the power consumption of the first XB360, that gave so many problems, and even 10W less than the current, reliable one.



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Play4Fun said:

I'm sorry, I don't work at AMD.

It's a claim they put up on the features and specifications sheet of the GPU.

You say you know technology progresses, yet you seem to have difficulty believing a 2011 GPU could actually be more pwoerful than a 2008 GPU while consuming less power.


Link to that sheet then? 

 

Chandler said:
Seriously, who the hell cares, Mazty? Are you on a mission or something to convert all those dirty Nintendo peasants? If the Wii U has an E6760 GPGPU I am more than happy. You better have to deal with the fact that not everyone wants to have a fucking Midi tower besides their TV's. When I unboxed my PS3 slim earlier this year my eyes fell out and I literally triple checked the box if it really is the "slim" version.

There might very well have been GPU's in 2006 that could rival the E6760 IN POWER, but not as cost efficient and not at the same power consumption rate. So apples to oranges I guess.

I'm guessing customers care about what they are buying so would like to know if they are getting something that is worth $300 and not, say, $100?

It's not really apples and oranges - it's a case that Nintendo are selling a next gen console with very old tech in it...so it's not really next gen is it? If that's okay for you then fine, but just realise what you are actually buying (so no omg amazing graphics/value for money/etc threads plz).



Mazty said:
Play4Fun said:

I'm sorry, I don't work at AMD.

It's a claim they put up on the features and specifications sheet of the GPU.

You say you know technology progresses, yet you seem to have difficulty believing a 2011 GPU could actually be more pwoerful than a 2008 GPU while consuming less power.


Link to that sheet then? 

 

Chandler said:
Seriously, who the hell cares, Mazty? Are you on a mission or something to convert all those dirty Nintendo peasants? If the Wii U has an E6760 GPGPU I am more than happy. You better have to deal with the fact that not everyone wants to have a fucking Midi tower besides their TV's. When I unboxed my PS3 slim earlier this year my eyes fell out and I literally triple checked the box if it really is the "slim" version.

There might very well have been GPU's in 2006 that could rival the E6760 IN POWER, but not as cost efficient and not at the same power consumption rate. So apples to oranges I guess.

 

I'm guessing customers care about what they are buying so would like to know if they are getting something that is worth $300 and not, say, $100?

It's not really apples and oranges - it's a case that Nintendo are selling a next gen console with very old tech in it...so it's not really next gen is it? If that's okay for you then fine, but just realise what you are actually buying (so no omg amazing graphics/value for money/etc threads plz).

 


Are you assuming people only care about buying the most up-to-date technology?  The vast majority of stuff you buy are not "up-to-date."  Consoles stay relevant for a good half decade or so I would say, and according to you tech becomes "very old" within a year or two.