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Yes, I remember now. I spoke to an Elkjop clerk a couple of weeks back; they're getting rid of the 360's with old chipsets and will replace them with Falcon's to avoid getting complaints! (No trolling, it's true, and I think its good they care about product quality).
They'll do the same to phase out the PS3 SKU's as soon as new ones hit (we don't have 80 GB's yet here).

I can't see PS3 matching PS2. Competition is much more intense and PS3 has a much higher price.

Crazzy, about your sig. Gran Turismo sold 564K in Japan on first week, out of a base of 4.3M. Your sig says wrong. It ended it's life at 1.9M, but first after several years.

FFX sold 1.9M out of a 5.1M base. It ended it's life at 3.0M, and it didn't reach that before after several years.

What you are doing, is kind of like saying "Super Mario 64: 11 Million sales out of a 300K base"

This is becoming more and more a non issue, especially outside of NA. You are right on the fierce competition though, there's no doubt about that! Here in Norway a 360 Premium or a 360 Elite cost as much as a PS3, and the Wii is more expensive than a 360 Arcade in some cases. When the next SKU's arrive, I expect the PS3 to be sold in two versions here; 40GB and 120GB at 2995 and 3795NOK respectively making the price even more competitive. And in many markets in Europe, the PS3 actually has the lead despite being more pricy! These markets will become a lot bigger when the price drops even more, like here in Norway where the PS3 managed to sell as much as the Wii despite costing 3500NOK more! Kinda amazing, so imagine how these kinds of markets will look when prices are basically halved.

But aside from price, it also matters a lot what kind of experience the console gives you. I think much of the PS3's success in Norway is attributed to the high HDTV penetration rate here, and also the fact that the PS2 sold 600.000 LT here which leaves a big chunk of people who know what they get if they purchase said console. The N64 actually did quite well here too, but the Gameube and original X-box did not.

I guess my point is (finally); the global market is comprised of many small segments that have vastly different preferences and purchasing habits than NA. Many tend to use NA as a base model to predict and oversee global console sales, but that is not a very accurate method at all. 

I didn't notice that but it's interesting that you point that out. I mean what he is doing is probably the definition of cherry picking.

Though in his defense (as scary as it is) he may be trying to show that even with a small number of consoles at the launch of a game, games like GT and FF can sell a good amount of games (and implys that those games sell consoles)

His sig should say something like this:

Gran Turismo 3 Total Sales - 1,9 mln. with 22 mln. PS2
Gran Turismo 3 First Week Sales - 565k with 4.38 mln. PS2
Gran Turismo 4 Total Sales - 1,16 mln. with 22 mln. PS2
Gran Turismo 4 First Week Sales - 674k with 18 mln PS2

Final Fantasy X Total Sales - 3 mln. with 22 mln. PS2
Final Fantasy X First Week Sales - 1.9 mln with 5.17 mln PS2
Final Fantasy X-2 Total Sales - 2.4 mln. with 22 mln. PS2
Final Fantasy X-2 First Week Sales - 1.56 mln with 12 mln PS2

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan.

PS3 will reach 3.3 mln in Japan by the end of 2008 with average weekly sales of 30k.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2008 with average weekly sales 40k.
PS3 will reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2008 with average weekly sales 60k.

No need to thank me CrazzyMan.

Edit: Actually CrazzyMan you have to thank me because I came in and defended you.

 first of i'm sorry i'm late but i'm on here everyday :)

comparing net turn over of sony and MS is not relevant... like you said one is selling hardware the other one is selling software mostly.... with the kind of product sony is selling in general having just 40% more is bad than good from my point of view....

I agree on your point about the software industry fluctuating more than the hardware.... but Sony is in a bad financial position right now they have very high bad debt.... over taking their actual cash flow... and the software market for MS is the most stable of all due to their obvious monopoly and the fact aht the number of computer about to be sold in the future is not about to decrease on the opposite... the over night theory is possible but unlikely to happened.... I was comparing net profit yearly when I said sony was a midget and that's a fact....

now if you take the revenue of both sony is over by 20 billion or so (i don't won't to read their annual report a 5 am sorry lol)  but for a hardware company compare to a software it's peanuts... 

now I leave that post open and I'll update tomorrow when I'll go further in their financial reports.... but last time I checked (and I have to admit I didn't do it in depth) Sony has a lower financial health that MS... and the can technically take more risk (so put more money) than sony right now...

I do understand your point and think it is valid but I don't agree on the conclusion.. sony hasn't the opportunity to monoeuvre that MS has right now.... and that's true for the entire company not only the game division.... but if they had to cut the one losing the most it would be the gaming one....

though I don't take the ressession    into consideration right their.... it could hurt a lot of industries even though MS is outsourcing a lot...

OK I had a quick look at both companies 2006 annual report (yeah I'll try to get the 2007) and with no calculation and a really quick tired look I still maintain that MS is in a better position globaly and on the gaming section in term of possibility of risk taking, financial health and potential support from the shareholders... but that's a 5 am quick look tomorrow I might say the opposite... the balance sheet the income statement and the statement of cash flow all looks to me better on MS side... keeping in mind that MS is a software company and Sony a hardware one....

PS you said sony it's 13 different company ... yeah but electronics is by far their main with more than 50% and gaming is their second.... and gaming is the one losing most... so I still think sony's gaming division is more threatened this gen than the MS one...

on that good night and if you have your view give it to me... I might even use your input in some of my grou project if you don't mind... :) thank you 

IF you don`t care about sales of Sony products - LEAVE this thread.
IF you are Sony hater - LEAVE this thread.
IF you DON`T believe in PS3 success - LEAVE this thread.
IF you are interested in discussing sales numbers of Sony products - STAY. =)

Why do you say all of these? 90 % of the site
Do care about Sony sales - or at least for a comparison to X360/Wii

About 5 % are Sony haters. Of course, there are about 10 % Sony dislikers.

30 % believe in Ps3 success. So you really only had to write this.

And Stever, I think there is something wrong with your link, when I open it the Anti-virus comes up.

5th week UPDATE:

PS2 February 04th - PS3 February 03rd
USA - 66k <> USA - 53k
Japan - 56k <> Japan - 40k
Others - 63k <> Others - 66k
Total - 185k <> Total - 159k
DMC4, Disgaea3, AC releases in Japan. Turok release in USA. Japan increase is lower then expected.
PS2 vs PS3 = +14k

Others is helping Ps3 in this battle week in & week out

This is the most fair comparison ever.