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DarkThanatos on 20 September 2012
mantlepiecek said:
DarkThanatos said:

Firstly, starting off saying you where human, then after coming under suspicion changing it to corrupted human. Your reasoning is that "you thought corrupted human was only you" - If you where town, and had no idea what any of the other classes were, why feel the need to keep it just to human? No-one else had a problem with coming out as corrupted human after, I just find that all a bit suspicious- even if it is an honest mistake. 

Secondly, the response of "I was just testing you" Is weak at best. Obviously I have not seen play before, so I dont know if this is a common playstyle, but from a first opinion I feel this is a weak response. 

Thirdly, you where not sure between light and dark being good or bad. Most of the towns are creatures of the darkness, so this just raises my suspicions that you are not who you say you are. You claim to be a corrupted human, yet as nen pointed out, you thought that corrupted human where light. As a corrupted human myself, who knows that I'm dark, thats a major incosistancy.

Forthly, your rebuttal of arguments like hat was simply "You are very stupid sometimes hat." Not what I would call a proper defence. Similarly your retaliations to Happy's arguments where also poor. "Nope you have no idea what piss poor is then" - rather then clarifying it. 

Fifthly, you complained that flavour and calling yourself human where not reasons alone for being scum. Yet you "hat I think is town purely based on his character claim." 

The throwing out accusations- You said "Carl was probably scum" - without any justification as to why. Similarly with me, I voted with incorrect format, and the next post you called me scum imo.

Other reasons are Hat, who claims to have a good reason to think you are scum. Which alone is not enough for me to believe him, but if we did lynch you, and you were town, then he would be the next to be lynched. I think that is too big a risk for him to take without due reason. Combined with Carl, who has kept quite and appears to be thinking a lot about this, being suspicious of you as well... its just a matter of lots of little things adding up. 

Finally, this opening round it is all taken off little evidence, and someone needs to get lynched or we all vote for no-lynch. You are the person that I have the most suspicion of, so thats why I vote you. Understand my point a little better? Feel free to try and clarify any accusations I have made again though, because if you are Town, then I dont want us not understanding your point to kill you off. 

What do you mean by what do i think about nen?

First of all, I asked, show me where I have inconsistent arguments. The examples you have shown are not inconsistent arguments.

Second I asked where have I been suspicious of people attacking me? I haven't been suspicious of hat, the leader himself, which you so nicely point out yourself. Apparently now I am scum because I am "blindly" considering hat as town.

Also carl, he is one of the weaker feeling as scum.

And I never tested people. Interesting that you parrot nen. Unfortunately you parroted something that is false.

And when I voted you, I felt you were scum. Now I have reasons to believe you are scum. However I won't lynch you today.

That much you can be assured.

I have also provided justifications for thinking these people are scum. Nen, carl. Also you yourself, you are parroting, for an example. You aren't actually answering questions.

And when I say what you think about nen, I mean, who do you feel about him? Scum feel, town feel, in between? Would be nice if you could elaborate.

1) I apologise then, incosistent arguments was not the phrase I meant. In hindsight Poor/inadequate responses would have been a better choice. I note that you did not refute many of the points I put out. 

2) I never said suspicious of people attacking you. Just that you where throwing accusations around. 

 throwing around accusations based on little to try and shake off suspicion, rather then giving consistent counter-arguments. 

You are also misquoting me. I never said you were scum for blindly considering some as town. I said that I was suspicious, because your reasoning for calling him town was the same type that you were refuting arguments against you. 

3) In regards to the testing statement. When looking back to answer this question I saw his argument and remembered it crossing my mind earlier. As to whether it was a true point or not, I will have to confirm in a second. Thankyou for raising questions about that, it may change my mind. I am also not parroting nen, I agreed with his argument for that point. If everyone was to have a different opinion, then no-one would ever get lynched. 

4) You claim that you won't lynch me today, yet I am still your vote am I not? - You have yet to give even a half-reason for your feel of carl being scum. If you have, I either missed them or didnt understand them. Please link/show me where you gave these reasons. 

5) I am not answering questions is different to parroting surely? And I was answering the questions you gave me. Where havent I and I will rectify that? 

6) Currently I am not sure about nen. He bounces between being slight scum feel, and slight town feel. My opinion at the moment is that most of his logic makes sense to me, but I am inbetween as to his orientation. 



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theprof00 on 20 September 2012
happydolphin said:
theprof00 said:

Why is it hard to believe? Smeags using the word is what caught my attention. From MY point of view, I am a shadowling, and I am town. Shadowling is not listed in the OP. Therefore, only people who are also shadowlings should know about shadowlings. It's easy for a scum who is a hero to say 'hey guys I'm a shadowspawn', because he's given the information that spawn exist right there in the flavor. It's impossible for them to say, 'i am a shadowling' because they are logically not shadowlings, but heroes, so, a mafia could not use the term 'shadowling' as they don't know of its existence.

Smeags is not what prompted me to use the word, he is what prompted me to notice that other people might be shadowlings. Secondly, I was the one who accused YOU of copying smeags lol, and you just turn it around and say 'oh it's hard to believe, i think you just copied smeags'. lol

If you would simply explain your logic, which I've asked you for for the hundreth time (not to mention just recently pointing out a flaw to which you've already admitted) I could show you where you are wrong.

The problem is that you are assuming that shadowling is not shadowspawn. Corrupted human is likely also a shadowspawn. I think you're taking the word shadowspawn too strictly to only refer to shadowspawn, when you have evidence yourself that other things exist beside hero, shadowspawn, god (corrupted human), or that thigns like corrupted human and shadowling may simply fit inside one of those types of characters.

Okay, I'm finally starting to understand. I feel bad now, in a good way, but I'm mostly glad I get it because I wasn't getting a scum vibe from you in the first place.

I remove my suspicion of you and Trucks. But this now puts more suspicion on Smeags and I, yet I claimed corrupted human first, which cancels out the suspicion on me (due to the DRM on the human side), so that leaves us with Smeags being shady.

Why did you go after me in the first place tho?

I didn't go after you. I asked you just to clarify some things and you refused. Naturally I should be extremely suspicious when I see a contradiction of you having a name, but I tried to be cool and have you clarify. Refusing to answer questions is really really not a good way to play because had you simply answered, none of this would have happened. I could have kept the shadowling thing quiet, and just secretly seen trucks as town. I guess some things were clarified, but really I would have very much liked to just had you confirm your name and shadowling ness, and avoided this whole thing.

Good news is I got a better read out of arguing with you than if I had not and had simply realized that it was a mistake. I read town. So, while to some it may seem like 200 posts were wasted, I think 200 posts is well worth figuring out if someone is town or not.



happydolphin on 20 September 2012
theprof00 said:

I didn't go after you. I asked you just to clarify some things and you refused. Naturally I should be extremely suspicious when I see a contradiction of you having a name, but I tried to be cool and have you clarify. Refusing to answer questions is really really not a good way to play because had you simply answered, none of this would have happened. I could have kept the shadowling thing quiet, and just secretly seen trucks as town. I guess some things were clarified, but really I would have very much liked to just had you confirm your name and shadowling ness, and avoided this whole thing.

Good news is I got a better read out of arguing with you than if I had not and had simply realized that it was a mistake. I read town. So, while to some it may seem like 200 posts were wasted, I think 200 posts is well worth figuring out if someone is town or not.

I agree :]



DarkThanatos on 20 September 2012

Sorry, accidentally double-posted it. You want me to delete the second?



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theprof00 on 20 September 2012
zero129 said:

1. Because as i explained, i really thought Hatz had something, But no i see he really had nothing at all.

2. No, i think the fact is that anyone can be wrong. But Hatz said he had something and he would explain it tomorrow, but it turns out he had nothing.

3. Well i know for a fact that im a Shadowspawn and a Town. You on the other hand claim to be a Shadowling and town. But imo if the really is a shadowling group then they are all mafia as Shadowspawn = town this i know for a fact. Would mean shadowlings = Mafia's version, same as normal human, corrupt human.

4. No i think HappyD was right and you where pushing him with random babble.

5. This is why i believe happy over you. As like i said if you really are a Shadowling you are not town!. and that is your slip!.

HappyD was following what smeags said about Shadowling and his flavor posts, Thinking it was just a made up group! (So did i until you pretty much now confirm its not!). So since i know Shadowspawn = Town Shadowling (If such a group is real) would have to be Mafia!.

6. Like i said that means nothing as if mantle really was scum you could of been doing it just as easy to distance yourself from him. But i no longer suspect Mantle the way i did, cant say the same for you. As to be honest if you are a Shadowling then i am pretty sure you are also scum.

1once again, nothing to do with hat. It has to do with me, your suspected scum, possibly appearing on a town lynch, yet I would not have explaining to do. You never said I would have to explain myself for jumping on Hat's wagon, you only said Hat would, despite you thinking he was town.

2 That is simply to be expected. It's not a flaw of his. He's just town and this is how town behaves.

3 That's where we disagree, I guess. I don't know of any shadowspawn. You are actually the only 'true to OP, non variant' we've seen. We've seen corrupted human, and shadowling, both are variations of the op wording. Yours is the single, only, completely unique claim compared to everyone who has claimed. Tell me again who is sticking out?

4. Except he's not, which means you haven't read it. 5. Nope, again, you are the one sticking out right now.

6. Your argument was not that I was distancing. You were saying I was distracting town. You can't just change the argument. You said I was distracting town from mantle. I dare you to prove those words right now. double dare.



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Smeags on 20 September 2012

Good Lord, what have I done? *laughs*



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theprof00 on 20 September 2012
zero129 said:

It seems to me you have made another slip as you are just not getting it. corrupt human And Shadowlings are not! a sub set of species in the "Shadowspawn" Group. And this is how i know you are lying for thinking so!!.

"ShadowSpawn" IS the Species of some of the town members, with corrupt human human being another set of Town members!.

Its like this

Town: Shadowspawn, Corrupt Human

Mafia: Shadowling??, Normal Human

3rd Party: Godlike, Overlords??.

But thats if what you are saying is true and Shadowling really is a sub group and not just something mafia are trying to make up to confuse the claims.

But no matter as imo anyone that now claims to be a shadowling is mafia even if the group is real or not.

See, in my opinion, it is the opposite. Again, you are the only non-variated name so far. You are the single op flavor duplicate. Everyone else is a variant.

 

Now this, happy, this is flavor hunting lol



Yoshiya on 20 September 2012
zero129 said:

It seems to me you have made another slip as you are just not getting it. corrupt human And Shadowlings are not! a sub set of species in the "Shadowspawn" Group. And this is how i know you are lying for thinking so!!.

"ShadowSpawn" IS the Species of some of the town members, with corrupt human human being another set of Town members!.

Its like this

Town: Shadowspawn, Corrupt Human

Mafia: Shadowling??, Normal Human

3rd Party: Godlike, Overlords??.

But thats if what you are saying is true and Shadowling really is a sub group and not just something mafia are trying to make up to confuse the claims.

But no matter as imo anyone that now claims to be a shadowling is mafia even if the group is real or not.

So what you are saying is that prof effectively claimed mafia? I'm sorry but isn't that the weakest argument of all time?

That said, I am getting a town vibe off you. You seem as confused as last game but you're trying to find holes in the flavour that I don't think a mafia player would be trying to do. Why don't I think a mafia player would do this? More groups = more places to hide that way I see it. We saw it last game when they were confined to four groups and they were forced to make fake claims so if they can create more groups to hide in this game we are forced to experiment and see which ones they have hidden themselves in.



happydolphin on 20 September 2012
theprof00 said:

See, in my opinion, it is the opposite. Again, you are the only non-variated name so far. You are the single op flavor duplicate. Everyone else is a variant.

 

Now this, happy, this is flavor hunting lol

Yup, I noticed :) I was going to reply but I said I'm not flavor hunting, nehumm



Smeags on 20 September 2012

Speaking of laughter, Kantor has been absent as of late.

I need more of those jokes of his...



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