source? I see no videos or otherwise that compare the two phones beyond spec sheet which would have same info I have.

Mine is from AnandTech, wikipedia, and others using Apple's statements from the conference and what is known in the A5X. It really can only be two possible choices... a quad-core A9 (identical to Vita if not faster clock cycle) or a dual-core A15 (better than vita)... and with that, all sources so far say its a dual-core meaning for it to be better than the orginal A5 or A5X it would have to be a lower clock cycle A15.

I know its not confirmed by Apple or from an official breakdown, but no matter what its at least equal to Vita, but with more RAM and likely faster clockspeeds.

If it is the quad A9, then I'll gladly change it, but the end result is the same.

since when is a dual core CPU faster than a quad core? That's what I'm being told by someone on here.. or something ugh whatever

superchunk said:

 A dual-core on a far more advanced architecture at a higher clock speed can and will be faster than a quad-core.

"Im not saying the PSV is waaaay ahead of the rest, but what im saying is that it is ahead at the moment (especially in terms of gaming performance), im also saying that in the next year the PSV's chipset will stil be relevant, id imagine quad core cpu/gpu combinations will only become the norm then."

Let's finish the rest of your quote, shall we?

"And in the following year the psv will be overtaken, possible in that same year. My main point was that your statement about tablets already overlapping psv tec wise is simply not true at this point in time. Hell the new ipad hasnt even released yet."

Which means Vita is not too far ahead. That NEXT year, i.e. 2013, it will still be relavent and you image similar chips to just become norm then. Then you followed that with you didn't think surpassing the Vita would happen until 2014 or very end of 2013.

*******

Going through your quotes... I said the same thing in both those first quotes. My point in that thread was the new iPad3 matched the GPU. It was beginning to equal the Vita. That the convention just prior showed phones that would match and then exceed Vita. I said the same thing many times.

1) within 3 to 6 months Vita will be matched
2) vita will be surpassed by end of year/ early 2013

I think you are also reading too much into the MWC context. I did use those as examples, but clearly was talking in general terms to "phones/tablets". I only used MWC and expected launches of CPUs / GPUs as examples to show why Vita would be matched/exceeded in 2012. I also specifcally stated iPhone5 would likely have A6 that would at least match Vita. Granted, I was wrong and it exceeded it, but meh root point met. I think you either were not have the same discussion I was back then or you don't remember it well. But the quotes show I was right.

*****

Lets recap (paraphrase) each post we made in that thread to eachother. (not too many)

you: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4460397
you didn't show Vita being beaten...ipad3 still doesn't beat it....amazed as apple usually leads...apple will launch new ipad in 2013 that will match vita....other tablets don't compare, use tegra3, its worse than vita....meaning next wave of tablets in 2013 will barely start to match vita...also those cpu makers are exagerating their growth.

me: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4460421
android recently has been leader in tech, not apple but apple is developer leader....in next few months Vita will be matched from both android and iphone5, current tech rumored shows this....look at overall tech and you'll see it will be surpassed by 2013....then mobiles will have PS360 level games and so forth.

you: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4460461
you have researched and i'm wrong....tegra3 is quad core but is not as good as vita or ipad3....other tech like s4 is only dual core and not as good...those are best in current android....roadmaps for their successors show 2013 launches at best and they may not be better in real terms....psv is not way ahead, but next year it will be relavent as others barely match and 2014 finally start to surpass.

me: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4460746
tegra3 cpu is good and gpu is worse agreed, but its not the standard gpu for the cpu...not talking now but future products shown in mwc... vita's chips will be in phones/tablets THIS year.. in next 3 to 6 months...making this year equal to vita...iphone5 with A6 essentially same as vita...android oems will also be same and likely better as they normally do...next year will be quad-based but faster clocks /memory....point is by 2013 phones/tablets will as good or better than notebooks or midlevel laptops using docks and be more powerful than Vita/PS360....2013 i'll snag nexus or win8 phone that will double as laptop....(btw that was before Surface was announced)....listed source where S4 chips will be better than Vita by end of year....reiterate that Vita will be matched within 6mos and beaten soundly in 2013....followed by gaming specific prediction.

you: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4463496
you don't remember anything at MWC that is amazing or ahead of its time.....htc x uses tegra3 and dualcore s4 for US...listed few more devices that use S4 or dual core chips...metioned new Intel stuff that is probably weaker as well....most phones/tablets use tegra3 or dualcore S4 for this year and its weaker as is adreneo, all weaker than vita....you think i'm stuck on core count and ignore real specs/tests....agree to disaggree and Vita cutting edge rest of year and at very least might get matched but certianly not bested...2013 we'll finally see them matching vita and then after that (2014?) pull away.

you again: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4463502
adding more....next gen tegra/snapdragon won't come until 2013... nothign known for this year shows equal better to vita... meaning S3/iphone can't possibly match or beat vita.

me: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4463817
listed various links and sources with cpu/gpus all showing 2012 or late 2012 release dates... all of these are equal or better to vita. I did't even compare tegra cpus, just standard ARM architecture including A15s... reiterated point that by end of summer vita will be matched and by end of year it will be beat with 2013 many soundly beating vita and as 2013 rolls on it will only get worse.

you: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4463869
say I'm not reading same thing as you....adreno gpus weak vs powervr gpus...new exynos cpu are not going to be in any of samsungs phones/tablets announced at MWC....S3 will mostl likely get 4412 exynos which will be within same ballpark as vita cpu but worse gpu....quoted yourself that psv is not way ahead, but next year it will be relavent as others barely match and 2014 finally start to surpass...then called out my quote that Vita will be matched in 3 to 6 mos and said it was BS that NO phone/tablet that is known or rumored will match Vita in that time... then apologized for derailing thread.

me: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4463900
said we'll just revist as year ends to see who's right...thanks for discussion and it really wansn't a derailment.

you (FINAL ONE): http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4463904
said we'll only revist if you're right otherwise you'll be gone!

******************

So that's great recap of our discussion. Just take your crow man, just take it!!!! ;)

You are doing it again Superchunk.

I remember the conversation perfectly well.

Your main point of that initial thread was to prove that Vita was made obsolete by the then announced/available smartphones, you particularly brought up MWC phones being showed off as it happend at that exact point in time. I then showed you and PROVED YOU WRONG IN THAT thread that this was not the case.

I (as in me!!!!!) pointed out to you that possible exceptions would be the iphone 5 and samsung galaxy s3. You basically went with an extreme opinion saying no the iphone wont be as powerful as the android phones, and that ALL phones/tablets released this year will have the vita tec or surpass it. AGAIN you were wrong.

In reply to that extreme statement i made an extreme one of my own saying "no smartphone/tablet will surpass vita in the next 3 - 6 months". I guess i was partially wrong about the NO part, but yet we both KNOW that i had singled out the iphone 5 and S3 as a possible phones to surpass it. Which in iphones case is true. You on the other hand stated the very opposit saying no iphone 5 wont, but ALL smartphones and tablets will surpass the vita. Ya this is still bullshit superchunk. GET THE FUCK OVER IT.

For single/duo threads? Yes. For more? No.

Old Arch (quad-core) > New Arch (duo-core) > Old Arch (duo-core) * When you use all four cores.

* Unless the clock difference is too big like Duo-core@1.8Ghz vs. Quad-core@1.0Ghz *