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errorpwns on 07 September 2012
Dgc1808 said:
Zomg dat AI!!!!! So excited!! Does this bother you?! Sue me...


No, what bothers me is when someone says they don't find the A.I impressive they get hateful comments shoved down their throats for speaking their opinion and some fact along with it.



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NinjaMonkeyLuchadore on 07 September 2012
errorpwns said:


I can see what you're trying to say, but we've only really gotten 1 gameplay video with very little enemies.  You can't make a final judgement based on that alone.  Onto a different route, some guy mentioned A.I getting on their knees begging being unique to this game.  When in fact I found the same A.I reaction in Assassins creed when the main player picks off both his friends. But yeah this A.I looks pretty good. Anything is better than the A.I Fallout3/NV had. On a side note I want to make a thread about stupid crap A.I does now.

 


We've had the E3 playthrough as well. It's the same part of the game but it plays out completly differently 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hDtSWJRbKY 

(I'm not sure if when you say " only really gotten 1" you're actually referring to the fact that we've only seen one part of the game. If that's the case then disregard this, but i thought i'd mention it just in case :)). 

I was completly blown away by the AI personally. Not so much in the way of "look at all the ways they can out smart the player" or "look at how effective they are at playing the game" but they just seem so much more like real people in comparison to anything else i've played. I think it's mainly to do with the contextual dialouge. 

Maybe it could be argued that saying  " the NPC's are impressive" as opposed to "the AI is impressive" is more accurate. Since i think it's a combination of the AI, dialouge and animation that seems to make them so lifelike. (Well lifelike in my eyes anyway). 



errorpwns on 07 September 2012
NinjaMonkeyLuchadore said:
errorpwns said:


I can see what you're trying to say, but we've only really gotten 1 gameplay video with very little enemies.  You can't make a final judgement based on that alone.  Onto a different route, some guy mentioned A.I getting on their knees begging being unique to this game.  When in fact I found the same A.I reaction in Assassins creed when the main player picks off both his friends. But yeah this A.I looks pretty good. Anything is better than the A.I Fallout3/NV had. On a side note I want to make a thread about stupid crap A.I does now.

 


We've had the E3 playthrough as well. It's the same part of the game but it plays out completly differently 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hDtSWJRbKY 

(I'm not sure if when you say " only really gotten 1" you're actually referring to the fact that we've only seen one part of the game. If that's the case then disregard this, but i thought i'd mention it just in case :)). 

I was completly blown away by the AI personally. Not so much in the way of "look at all the ways they can out smart the player" or "look at how effective they are at playing the game" but they just seem so much more like real people in comparison to anything else i've played. I think it's mainly to do with the contextual dialouge. 

Maybe it could be argued that saying  " the NPC's are impressive" as opposed to "the AI is impressive" is more accurate. Since i think it's a combination of the AI, dialouge and animation that seems to make them so lifelike. (Well lifelike in my eyes anyway). 

Yeah what I meant was it's in a more controlled enviroment.  Whereas when players actually get their hands on the game the A.I might not react quite as smart in every situation.  I'm going to agree and lean towards the mix of everything is more accurate.  The problem is, the only words I heard for the most part was "Blank."  "Motherblanker." and something mumbled.  In terms of dialogue many other games provide more dialogue to the NPCs.  Of course that could just be this particular situation and we could see far more dialogue.  I know in the video in the beginning of this thread I heard something along the lines of a covnersation "Did you hear that?"  Then the other NPC responds reassuring the other one.  Though that isn't uncommon and is in Batman: Arkham City, and also in Fallout/Elder scroll games.  I found it nice how the NPC hid next to the door and ambushed the player with a pipe as he was running through the door. Don't see sneak attacks done too properly anymore.  Shows that not all A.I in this game acts as stupid as the molotov guy in the video in the beginning of the thread.  The pipe guy actually used some brains.  I like the animation for the most part.  Though I saw some flaws.  Can't make everything perfect though so it's excusable. Looks like it is shaping up to be a good game for those who like the genre.



JazzB1987 on 07 September 2012
CGI-Quality said:
errorpwns said:
CGI-Quality said:
JazzB1987 said:

You have to admit (and to his credit) your initial post doesn't make a good case that you have a real interest in this game. I'm not saying that you don't,just that the post doesn't support what you're saying.

I don't see where it doesn't?  He just simply isn't getting hyped to the point where he makes blind facts about the game.  He is being honest about the games A.I and visuals.  He doesn't have to lie about the visuals to show interest in the game.

Well I disagree, but that's OK. Just my personal observation.

The observation is a bit faulty.

My first post was never intended to show that I have interest in the game (or no interest for that matter). Why would I want to say it? I know that I have interest in the game thats enough for me and had nothing to do with what I wanted to say about the script stuff so I left it out.


It was just that I have no Idea why people still talk about the SCRIPT/NON SCRIPT  thing.  In no way was it ment to be a  "why do people talk about THIS GAME" reply.  lol. 

The thread is about the script/non scripted events in the game.  So is my reply. 

Btw. My first post also doesn't show that I have NO interest in the game. So It's not my fault if someone gets hold of the wrong end of the stick.

I mean If I say  "I like dark grey more than bright grey"  Does it mean I hate white? Does it mean I love black?  No it just means I like dark grey. And if someone thinks I hate white because its even brighter  or  I love black because its darker then dark grey thats not my fault.


P.S Its like the capcom thread.  They say  next gen does not REALLY start with WiiU (it starts when all consoles are here not only 1)  and people make it  CAPCOM HATES WIIU BLAHBLAH....



Hynad on 07 September 2012

News flash. A.I. in every single game is made of scripts. ¬_¬



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Dgc1808 on 07 September 2012
errorpwns said:
Dgc1808 said:
Zomg dat AI!!!!! So excited!! Does this bother you?! Sue me...


No, what bothers me is when someone says they don't find the A.I impressive they get hateful comments shoved down their throats for speaking their opinion and some fact along with it.


That's not what I saw from you in this thread.



4 ≈ One

Hynad on 07 September 2012
Dgc1808 said:
errorpwns said:
Dgc1808 said:
Zomg dat AI!!!!! So excited!! Does this bother you?! Sue me...


No, what bothers me is when someone says they don't find the A.I impressive they get hateful comments shoved down their throats for speaking their opinion and some fact along with it.


That's not what I saw from you in this thread.

Actually, it's quite the other way around.  He's the one who called other people names for not seeing the A.I. and the visuals of the game the same way he does. Of course people will react strongly to such bahavior.



o_O.Q on 07 September 2012
JazzB1987 said:
o_O.Q said:
JazzB1987 said:
I dont get why people are discussing this even today. its not even that awesome

I mean its basically: Check if player needs help, see player needs help, look for item to help player, take item and use it. Use taunt if succesfull (eat that shit!) . etc.


Its nothing else than the usual enemy behavior like. Check if player is there. Fire at player, check environment for hiding spots/cover, see low wall, take cover.


Its nothing else. The only difference is that the game checks for items etc. in addition to walls. And has a ton of prerecorded voice.

So I dont get what that fuzz is about.

i think the most important question is why people discussing this game irks some people to the point where they feel its necessary to post in thread on a game they don't find impressive just to down play the game and express wonder at how people can discuss things they don't find interesting

if you don't like the game or find it interesting thats fine but that doesn't mean that others are going to react in the same way and that is something that can be accepted

there're other threads with games that you will find interesting why waste time posting in a thread where that doesn't apply?

I think the most important question is why people especially some blind fans just want to read what they want and not whats written in front of their eyes.

well...
too bad you never learned how to read.  Where exactly do I say i have no interest in the game? I am looking forward to the game and I will get it for sure. 

BTW I highlighted the useless part of your reply because It seems to be adressed to someone else and not me.


saying that you don't get why people are discussing the game is not indicative of interest in the game from my perspective

and as i said because you find nothing of worth to discuss or be interested in does not mean that applies to others

what i've written was derived from your comments and other comments i've seen in this thread... i'm no psychic i can only comment on what you've written, not what you're feeling or thinking



the2real4mafol on 07 September 2012

I really look forward to this, i glimpse into what an apocalyptic world would be like. The last of us, certainly is living up to the standards of Naughty Dog's other games. Good Graphics. Cool Characters. Interesting Story/ setting etc. A lack of ammo, shall make the game play out, quite differently to Uncharted
I can't wait



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o_O.Q on 07 September 2012
CGI-Quality said:
errorpwns said:
CGI-Quality said:
JazzB1987 said:

I think the most important question is why people especially some blind fans just want to read what they want and not whats written in front of their eyes.

well...
too bad you never learned how to read.  Where exactly do I say i have no interest in the game? I am looking forward to the game and I will get it for sure. 

BTW I highlighted the useless part of your reply because It seems to be adressed to someone else and not me.

You have to admit (and to his credit) your initial post doesn't make a good case that you have a real interest in this game. I'm not saying that you don't,just that the post doesn't support what you're saying.

I don't see where it doesn't?  He just simply isn't getting hyped to the point where he makes blind facts about the game.  He is being honest about the games A.I and visuals.  He doesn't have to lie about the visuals to show interest in the game.

Well I disagree, it was quite aggressive and not in favor of the game (which, again, doesn't mean he's not interested in The Last Of Us, but I can see how the assumption could be made that he isn't based on that first post).

My curiosity is tingling though - who in here made up "blind facts"?

i asked him a similar question to a very similar claim that he made earlier in the thread and i have yet to get a reply...