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Talal said:

gergroy said:

 edit: nevermind, you edited your post while i was doing this...


Seriously? I never edited the post. That's weird.


huh, that is weird.  I swear when I first saw it that it was just the last two paragraphs and the starcraft quote... but I'm probably just crazy.  So... just ignore me, pretend that I wasn't here...

 



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Talal said:

"Kantor has decided it was an overreaction on my part, as is his right. I have stated that I'll be guided by his direction in like-circumstances in the future. I apologise that I caught you up in the (myriad) moderations in that thread that were upheld."

This is you apologizing because it is expected of you. Not because you realized you were wrong. It's just from your "apology" you can easily tell that you were not convinced what you did was wrong. It was Kantor's call "As is his right". Don't get me wrong I'm not a cry baby that's demanding a sincere apology for the hell of it. I need to know if you realize that your personal opinions affected your moderations and apologize for that. Because I don't want my favorite forum to have mods that I'm afraid to disagree with. If you do not recognize that your personal feelings affected your moderations in that thread then you will continue being a bad mod in my humble opinion. 

Instead of doing this, you've gone on to pretend I have said things I didn't, continue to argue that I said them when others have pointed out I did not, and are now suggesting that another user who I am certain thought he was 'just joking' absolutely deserved his ban.

"No, it is proof of nothing.

What it is, is an excuse for the perves of the internet to try and insert themselves without merit into the sex life of a woman"

This is a direct quote of what you said. I was one of the people who was getting involved in the scandal. I Thought it was very fishy that she dated 5 guys in the industry and that her game got a lot of press. I did point out that there was no evidence to prove it so we should not claim that she did, but I still find it very fishy nontheless. Since you conclusively said "it is proof of nothing" it is only an excuse to get into her sex life then that must also apply to me.

As for the user who called her a filthy whore and asked for her email. He's implying that he wants to contact her since she's a "filthy whore". Yes it was a joke but it was out of line. And way different than simply calling her a "bitch". Or are you comparing what he said to what I said? I don't get this part.

I do not get it. You were ahead, you had an apology in hand.

I made an error, as humans are prone to doing, and apologised to you for it. Beyond that, there are at least as many compliments to my form of moderation in this thread as there are insults (and Cone has already pointed out which ones you're more likely to get). What do you consider a the definition of an 'unfit' mod to be? Again, I have apologised - beyond that I just don't see what I can offer you. Aside from unilaterally declaring that for the hundreds of moderations I have made without incident, I am an appalling mod for the handful that people (normally the banned party) have complained about and the *one* that has been overturned.
You said you'd like to drop this, I don't understand why this didn't occur a while ago. However, my genuine question (as ultimately this thread is about feedback and improvement) is, assuming that this happens again (with me, or any other mod or user), how best do you think we can deal with it when its determined a mod has made an error in judgement? Clearly you were not placated by an apology and reversal - what other options should we be looking at?

I covered most of the answers to these questions above. A few things though: A mod can be unfit in many ways. In this case I think you're unfit because your personal feelings got the better of you. A mod should not allow that to happen. A similar example I can think of is Khan a while ago. Khan used to get so heated in threads regarding Nintendo and EA causing him to make questionable mod decisions. Now he doesn't do that anymore (At least I haven't seen him do it in a long time). Back then I used to think he was unfit too. I decided to back down on this because who knows maybe it was a one time thing and you won't let that happen again.

TL;DR: Had you said something along the lines of "I'm sorry. I made a mistake. I let my personal feelings affect my moderation" instead of "Kantor thought what I did was wrong and he's head mod so, sorry" I would have taken the apology and left it at that.

Ok. Wires have been crossed at some point, I am sorry if I have contributed to that, but I think I understand why we're not getting each other now.

At no point, period, were you banned or moderated for having a different opinion to anyone. You weren't banned for sexism or anything opinion-based like that. You were banned for trolling/flaming a mod - nothing more or less - a ban that has since been rescinded and apologised for (twice).

At no point did I reply to you in that thread. At no point during posting, whilst moderating, or since then have I passed comment in public or private on your opinion. Again, your trolling a mod was identified, discussed in mod chat, punished, and then redressed. You're asking for an apology, and basing judgements on, something that simply did not occur.



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starcraft said:

Ok. Wires have been crossed at some point, I am sorry if I have contributed to that, but I think I understand why we're not getting each other now.

At no point, period, were you banned or moderated for having a different opinion to anyone. You weren't banned for sexism or anything opinion-based like that. You were banned for trolling/flaming a mod - nothing more or less - a ban that has since been rescinded and apologised for (twice).

At no point did I reply to you in that thread. At no point during posting, whilst moderating, or since then have I passed comment in public or private on your opinion. Again, your trolling a mod was identified, discussed in mod chat, punished, and then redressed. You're asking for an apology, and basing judgements on, something that simply did not occur.

 


If you thought that me sarcastically saying that you knew best warranted a ban (a 3 day ban to someone with no history) without your personal opinions affecting that action then we have even a bigger problem. You have a complete lack of ability to gauge whether or not something is ban worthy. Good luck with that.

Oh look walsufnir said "that's a funny one" sarcastically. You should consult the mods about his post. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6602987



Talal said:

starcraft said:

Ok. Wires have been crossed at some point, I am sorry if I have contributed to that, but I think I understand why we're not getting each other now.

At no point, period, were you banned or moderated for having a different opinion to anyone. You weren't banned for sexism or anything opinion-based like that. You were banned for trolling/flaming a mod - nothing more or less - a ban that has since been rescinded and apologised for (twice).

At no point did I reply to you in that thread. At no point during posting, whilst moderating, or since then have I passed comment in public or private on your opinion. Again, your trolling a mod was identified, discussed in mod chat, punished, and then redressed. You're asking for an apology, and basing judgements on, something that simply did not occur

If you thought that me sarcastically saying that you knew best warranted a ban (a 3 day ban to someone with no history) without your personal opinions affecting that action then we have even a bigger problem. You have a complete lack of ability to gauge whether or not something is ban worthy. Good luck with that.

Oh look walsufnir said "that's a funny one" sarcastically. You should consult the mods about his post. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6602987

Ok. I think its time to stop this. Your reaction was originally understandable. Its become entirely disproportionate and we're not going to agree.



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starcraft said:

Ok. I think its time to stop this. Your reaction was originally understandable. Its become entirely disproportionate and we're not going to agree.


Fine by me. I'll avoid directing comments towards you from now on. As that will infinitely reduce the chances of me getting banned again. And if you ever happen to ban me for a harmless sarcastic comment again directed at someone other than you I'll just complain again and get it overturned, even though that's a drag.



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starcraft said:

Ok. I think its time to stop this. Your reaction was originally understandable. Its become entirely disproportionate and we're not going to agree.


Of course you're not going to agree with him... ¬_¬

Tell us why you judged that a user with no moderation history deserved to jump a level on the moderation chart, skipping the one day ban, for a sarcastic comment in which he pointed out YOUR inadequacy?



Hynad said:
starcraft said:

Ok. I think its time to stop this. Your reaction was originally understandable. Its become entirely disproportionate and we're not going to agree.


Of course you're not going to agree with him... ¬_¬

Tell us why you judged that a user with no moderation history deserved to jump a level on the moderation chart, skipping the one day ban, for a sarcastic comment in which he pointed out YOUR inadequacy? All it looked like was you doing justice for yourself. And I don't think this should ever happen. Unless the case is actually quite extreme. Like someone going balistic at a mod.

Hynad 

You routinely refuse to read through recent posts in this thread before laying out your opinion. Everything you just sarcastically enquired about has been covered, extensively, over the last 50 posts. By both myself, Talal, and a handful of other users.



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Talal said:
starcraft said:

Ok. I think its time to stop this. Your reaction was originally understandable. Its become entirely disproportionate and we're not going to agree.

Fine by me. I'll avoid directing comments towards you from now on. As that will infinitely reduce the chances of me getting banned again. And if you ever happen to ban me for a harmless sarcastic comment again directed at someone other than you I'll just complain again and get it overturned, even though that's a drag.

Haha. Ok mate.



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starcraft said:
Hynad said:
starcraft said:

Ok. I think its time to stop this. Your reaction was originally understandable. Its become entirely disproportionate and we're not going to agree.


Of course you're not going to agree with him... ¬_¬

Tell us why you judged that a user with no moderation history deserved to jump a level on the moderation chart, skipping the one day ban, for a sarcastic comment in which he pointed out YOUR inadequacy? All it looked like was you doing justice for yourself. And I don't think this should ever happen. Unless the case is actually quite extreme. Like someone going balistic at a mod.

Hynad 

You routinely refuse to read through recent posts in this thread before laying out your opinion. Everything you just sarcastically enquired about has been covered, extensively, over the last 50 posts. By both myself, Talal, and a handful of other users.


Really? Where did you explain why you went for a 3 days ban, instead of the normal one day he should have gotten (if the offense was moderatable in the first place, of course)? Must have overlooked that part. But as usual, you routinely put the blame on the others, instead of owning up to what you do wrong. As your replies to Talal prove. 

In any case, you should really man up and take the criticism a little more seriously, instead of doing your usual deflecting shtick. People aren't concerned for no reason, even if you're too quick to form a reason how it can be everyone else's fault instead of yours to actually see it, and, god forbit, admit it.



Hynad said:
starcraft said:

Hynad 

You routinely refuse to read through recent posts in this thread before laying out your opinion. Everything you just sarcastically enquired about has been covered, extensively, over the last 50 posts. By both myself, Talal, and a handful of other users.


Really? Where did you explain why you went for a 3 days ban, instead of the normal one day he should have gotten? Must have overlooked that part. But as usual, you routinely put the blame on the others, instead of owning up to what you do wrong. As your replies to Talal prove. 

Presumably, you want to be taken seriously in your comments in this thread.

But you then go on to ignore my multiple apologies for including Talal in the very many upheld moderations from that thread. You also ignore the fact that I did follow the established process where I am unsure of a ban. It is increasingly difficult to believe that your comments in this thread are truly a reflection on your desire to improve our methods of moderation, rather than simply an opportunity for you to have a go at me. For what purpose? I am unsure, and don't particularly care.

But I don't see the sense in continuing to take my time to respond to you, and indeed your own time in continuing these sorts of conversations, if you cannot take a more constructive approach in this thread (and elsewhere).

Edit: I see you edited your post - demonstrating even more of the behaviour I just described. You're immune to counter-points.



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