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archbrix on 01 September 2012
cyberninja45 said:
Mr Khan said:
There are other vehicles through which Sony and Microsoft could innovate with only minor upgrades. Microsoft is certainly trying to build something with a high level of Windows 8 integration, which would necessarily be a different experience than the 360 even if it only has something on the order of 2-4 GB of RAM


I guess Ms can change but what about sony they have used the dual shock controller since they began making consoles. I find it hard to see them straying away from this since everytime they tried it did not turn out too good

If Sony were to offer a screen controller ala the WiiU, they would simply continue to offer the Dual Shock controller for multiplayer affairs, same way Nintendo does with the Wii remote, and for the "pro" experience, same way Nintendo now offers the Pro Controller.

On topic, I think Mr. Khan has nailed it.  Naturally, Durango and Orbis will offer more power than WiiU, but I don't believe that will be the main reason for people to upgrade.  Factor in that most development studios out there aren't Epic games and would not have it in their budgets to take full advantage of top-tier hardware that rivals high end PCs, not to mention the losses that Microsoft and Sony would suffer to launch such powerful hardware and the prices they'd have to sell them for to stay competitive.

We don't know much about what Sony will do next gen, but Microsoft seems focused on creating a multimedia hub for the living room, with rumors ranging from a subscription-based service to a DVR to Kinect 2.0.

Mark my words: Next gen will be about more than just ultra-powerful hardware. 



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Rafux on 01 September 2012

"Why Xbox720 and PS4 will be much more powerful than WiiU"

Because logic duh! Wiiu is not even as powerful as PS360 therefore PS4/720 are going to be more powerful.



cyberninja45 on 01 September 2012
archbrix said:
cyberninja45 said:
Mr Khan said:
There are other vehicles through which Sony and Microsoft could innovate with only minor upgrades. Microsoft is certainly trying to build something with a high level of Windows 8 integration, which would necessarily be a different experience than the 360 even if it only has something on the order of 2-4 GB of RAM


I guess Ms can change but what about sony they have used the dual shock controller since they began making consoles. I find it hard to see them straying away from this since everytime they tried it did not turn out too good

If Sony were to offer a screen controller ala the WiiU, they would simply continue to offer the Dual Shock controller for multiplayer affairs, same way Nintendo does with the Wii remote, and for the "pro" experience, same way Nintendo now offers the Pro Controller.

On topic, I think Mr. Khan has nailed it.  Naturally, Durango and Orbis will offer more power than WiiU, but I don't believe that will be the main reason for people to upgrade.  Factor in that most development studios out there aren't Epic games and would not have it in their budgets to take full advantage of top-tier hardware that rivals high end PCs, not to mention the losses that Microsoft and Sony would suffer to launch such powerful hardware and the prices they'd have to sell them for to stay competitive.

We don't know much about what Sony will do next gen, but Microsoft seems focused on creating a multimedia hub for the living room, with rumors ranging from a subscription-based service to a DVR to Kinect 2.0.

Mark my words: Next gen will be about more than just ultra-powerful hardware. 


@bolded if they do it can most likely result in a Move situation. Then where that leaves them



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cyberninja45 on 01 September 2012
MDMAlliance said:
I honestly doubt that the successor of the 360 and PS3 will be "much more powerful" than the WiiU. One reason is because there's no way to gauge what "much more powerful" means unless you put it into technical terms. When I think "much more powerful," I think 6-8 times more powerful. I do not think it will be 6-8 times more powerful than the Wii U when the Wii U is already as good as confirmed to be more powerful than the PS3 and 360 as it is. Not only this, but there is a user here who constantly actually makes some good sense when talking about this issue.

1) Making a system more powerful requires more investment on both Microsoft/Sony and the developers for the system, which means much more money spent. This isn't a good idea considering their financial loss history and how it will just keep on going unless they do something about it.

2) Making a system more powerful not only costs more money for the companies, but will drive the costs up for the system. If the Wii U ends up being something like $349.99, then the "much more powerful" system will end up being "much more expensive" as Nintendo has started going with the trend of making their systems cheaper for what you get with your money.

3) When you use more power in a system, the system exhausts more heat. Withstanding more heat means providing better cooling and higher quality materials to keep the system from damaging. In some cases, the power would be nearly impossible to cool down to a proper temperature unless a really expensive cooling system were put into it. This would mean bulking up the system, driving up costs, and more potential for malfunctions resulting in lower ratings (and lower ratings means less people willing to go out and buy one)

4) The graphics now are already nearing a cap to where we can't tell the difference, and the only places where we can really improve a lot on are things like AI.

I am aware of the financial situation of sony and all the technical parameters. But that is not the issue, its about keeping their games relevant to the gamers.



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MDMAlliance on 01 September 2012
cyberninja45 said:
MDMAlliance said:
I honestly doubt that the successor of the 360 and PS3 will be "much more powerful" than the WiiU. One reason is because there's no way to gauge what "much more powerful" means unless you put it into technical terms. When I think "much more powerful," I think 6-8 times more powerful. I do not think it will be 6-8 times more powerful than the Wii U when the Wii U is already as good as confirmed to be more powerful than the PS3 and 360 as it is. Not only this, but there is a user here who constantly actually makes some good sense when talking about this issue.

1) Making a system more powerful requires more investment on both Microsoft/Sony and the developers for the system, which means much more money spent. This isn't a good idea considering their financial loss history and how it will just keep on going unless they do something about it.

2) Making a system more powerful not only costs more money for the companies, but will drive the costs up for the system. If the Wii U ends up being something like $349.99, then the "much more powerful" system will end up being "much more expensive" as Nintendo has started going with the trend of making their systems cheaper for what you get with your money.

3) When you use more power in a system, the system exhausts more heat. Withstanding more heat means providing better cooling and higher quality materials to keep the system from damaging. In some cases, the power would be nearly impossible to cool down to a proper temperature unless a really expensive cooling system were put into it. This would mean bulking up the system, driving up costs, and more potential for malfunctions resulting in lower ratings (and lower ratings means less people willing to go out and buy one)

4) The graphics now are already nearing a cap to where we can't tell the difference, and the only places where we can really improve a lot on are things like AI.

I am aware of the financial situation of sony and all the technical parameters. But that is not the issue, its about keeping their games relevant to the gamers.


Sony may be a really large company but as it is, Sony is laying off many of its workers to keep it from losing too much revenue.  It is very much an issue and pricing of their system fits into this.  Power isn't everything and isn't the driving force that sells a system, as you see from the PS2 and the initial sales of the PS3 (it being powerful yet selling horribly).  Also, you only addressed a single point out of the four points I made that pretty much happen all at once when making decisions about these stuff.



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Skeeuk on 01 September 2012

it will be more powerfull thats for certain, but it wont be as big of a gen jump as expected. the consoles will have to run with current climate and be cheap to sell and manufacture



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archbrix on 01 September 2012
cyberninja45 said:
archbrix said:
cyberninja45 said:
Mr Khan said:
There are other vehicles through which Sony and Microsoft could innovate with only minor upgrades. Microsoft is certainly trying to build something with a high level of Windows 8 integration, which would necessarily be a different experience than the 360 even if it only has something on the order of 2-4 GB of RAM


I guess Ms can change but what about sony they have used the dual shock controller since they began making consoles. I find it hard to see them straying away from this since everytime they tried it did not turn out too good

If Sony were to offer a screen controller ala the WiiU, they would simply continue to offer the Dual Shock controller for multiplayer affairs, same way Nintendo does with the Wii remote, and for the "pro" experience, same way Nintendo now offers the Pro Controller.

On topic, I think Mr. Khan has nailed it.  Naturally, Durango and Orbis will offer more power than WiiU, but I don't believe that will be the main reason for people to upgrade.  Factor in that most development studios out there aren't Epic games and would not have it in their budgets to take full advantage of top-tier hardware that rivals high end PCs, not to mention the losses that Microsoft and Sony would suffer to launch such powerful hardware and the prices they'd have to sell them for to stay competitive.

We don't know much about what Sony will do next gen, but Microsoft seems focused on creating a multimedia hub for the living room, with rumors ranging from a subscription-based service to a DVR to Kinect 2.0.

Mark my words: Next gen will be about more than just ultra-powerful hardware. 


@bolded if they do it can most likely result in a Move situation. Then where that leaves them

???  There's nothing bolded...

Assuming you're talking about the controller situation, of course it depends on whether or not Sony would be capitalizing on the WiiU Gamepad with their own unique ideas in mind or if they'd just copy the idea with no unique ideas in mind (ala Move).  Either way, discontinuing the Dual Shock design altogether would not be wise.



Sal.Paradise on 01 September 2012
cyberninja45 said:
Sal.Paradise said:

Lol @ 'bland' and 'shallow' gameplay. That 'bland' gamepad gameplay has produced hundreds, no thousands, of brilliant, exquisite videogames.


Of course it has. But there will reach a time when you can only do so much with the same contoller just look at this gen with the HD twins most games are copy and paste of another with a different theme (story) but same gameplay. I guess thats why nintendo keeps changing up there control scheme to keep things appearing to look fresh in their games

Hahahahahahahahaha. Ok buddy, we obviously have different priorities because god damn have these 'fresh' motion controls been an absolute let down. I see literally a handful of games that had gameplay benefitting from these new motion controls, I see hundreds of games this gen that benefit from having a classic control pad or keyboard and mouse, from fighters to racers to shooters to arcade games to RPGs to RTSes to rhythm games to everything under the sun. 

'Bland' (traditional) controls result in games with better gameplay 99%  of the time, so baby give me the blandest, oldest, most boring vanilla-flavoured controller you've got, you can keep the fresh new waggling for yourselves. 



Andrespetmonkey on 01 September 2012

A $50 loss on each PS4 wouldn't do anything to Sony. Every buyer will give them it back and more within 6 months of owning the system through game sales and subscriptions to PS+, netflix etc. $100 loss and they'd likely be fine too. Once you get to around $200 then it becomes dangerous, because they could run out of money before they start seeing a return, but like I've pointed out before a $400 console that breaks even could trounce the Wii U in technical capabilities.

edit: in 2013, and easily in 2014.



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richardhutnik on 01 September 2012

The Next XBox, if it is locked in at 720P native for games, won't be more powerful than the WiiU.  Why the heck would it be called a 720, if it isn't going to be 720P native.  Do you mean Durango?  If so, how about calling it that?