Legend, Your hate for nintendo is so obvious, its making you look foolish now.

If EA could conjure up a way to make a orignial IP like Pikmin it would have sold well across all platforms.

How many gamers do you really think know who develops certain games?

People buy the games they buy because of word-of-mouth/hype, advertizements, and news/reviews from major media outlets. Certainly, first party published games have an advantage across all consoles but a well advertized high quality title will sell similarly regardless of who published it.

No, he's saying that M rated 3rd party games besides RE4 and RE UC won't sell.  There are a lot of 3rd party games selling better than either of those games, but they're not M rated.

Don't be too hard on him.  He's a big fan of the console that's almost certain to finish this generation with a distant third and probably had to replace his 360 several times with MS already. 

plus nintendo doesnt even advertise nearly 1/2 of Sony and M$ and they still sell exeptionally well.

im gonna use this anology that alot of you wii users (which is 100% bias but oh well) use on us ps3 users and maybe you will understand where myself and others are coming from... ps3 was expected to sell more at this point because of the ps2's high amount of sales right? isnt that what yal say??? well if the gamecube nor the n64 were known for selling a high amount of mature rated games on the system why all of a sudden would developers and publishers all of a sudden flock to it?? the fact that people are naming mario and sonic as the great 3rd party savior is sad..... im not saying this to flame so say what you want .. i dont care.. but the truth is that this is just how its gonna be.... the wii will continue to get the dumbed down side story game to fit the people they are selling systems too.. my grandma and my girlfriend...both of which dont buy M rated games or any game near that category.. yea they might get a couple here and there but not as much as ps360

That is the beauty of globalization. Thieves from Canada and other countries can help thieves in Brazil. American thief develops the modchip, Chinese thief distributes it, Canadian and Brazilian thieves buys and install it. In the end everyone is happy.

I wish there was a way for people from other nations to help sad and pathetic losers in Canada get a life ...
Wife, friends, job ... That kind of stuff.

Being the mature guys we are, we both know that our posts are not a reference to any user here in VGChartz. 

I don't hate Nintendo, I've bought Nintendo consoles in the past as well as Microsoft, Sony, and Sega ones.

As for those questions I've asked I think it's a similar situation to how Western third party games sell in Japan.  They can make games that are similar or even rival ones like Gran Turismo, Street Fighter 2, Metal Gear Solid, etc, and yet they only get 1/10th of the sales (or less) in Japan.  The games I mentioned, Pikmin and Wario Ware in particular I have no doubt would have sold much less if made by any other company.

"Pikmin sold 1.61 million copies on the Gamecube (16th best selling game on it), do you think if EA had made Pikmin that it would have gotten that many sales? Wario Ware: Touched sold 2.18 million on the DS, how many copied would have sold if it instead it had been a similar game made by EA? If another company had made the Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games with different characters in it do you think it would have made it to a million?"

Yes Yes and no.

Nintendo has a history of creativity and the desire to market games as such. Both Pikmin and Pikmin 2 received a substantial amount of advertising and media preview. EA's track record with such titles like this are to develop them and shit them out the door quietly, so as not to draw attention away from Madden and Need for Speed. Likewise if Wario Ware Touched, a sequel to a game developed for the GBA in 2003 (when EA thought the GBA was a licensed movie game garbage dump) had actually been thought up by EA in 2003 and marketed and hyped by EA (at the expense of Madden and Need for Speed) there is a high possibility that it would have also garnered sales. Nintendo took RISKS with both of these titles. Pikmin is a strange RTS and Wario Ware is just a big ol pile of weird, but they RISKED making them. Pikmin could have easily flopped and likewise Wario Ware. They have made RISKS that didn't pay off, Donkey Kong Jet for instance, but their success is reflective of their desire to actually market these games instead of quietly developing the creative games in the corner, much akin to a 12-year old masturbating. They seem ashamed of them.

Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games without Mario and Sonic in it is paradoxical, because the title of the game would have to be changed to reflect their absence, and thus would not have been the same game, thus neutering your point of the characters' popularity producing sales. The inclusion of the characters is tied to the concept and has nothing to do with the DEVELOPER of the title and basically proves the point that it didn't mater if Nintendo had developed that game (FUNNY THING! They didn't.)

@naruto : Chocobos were on top in the PS era with FF7. Nowadays they look has been, FF Fables Chocobo Tales didn't sell much, neither did Chocobo Dungeon Wii (though it sold a bit more).

dude it floped  after it hit 100k on the wii  and it fell the charts and stayed there

even the JRPG calledFloped

while SMG, wii fit, wii play,   and wii sport  are still on the charts

Japanese games wii gamers have spoken They want casual games

i don't hate any first party company but this is a problem