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@ Zero, I'll find your links backing my suspicions later, if that'll appease you. I'm too grumpy and lazy right now and have college essays to write.

I'm just scared you'll do the same thing to hatmoza, say my links are "WRONG!!1!" and keep demanding for more. 'cause that's annoying.

Here's also the thing: I never said you pulled the n00b card. I was commenting on your style of play. So this is you misinterpreting what I said, or twisting what I've said. I'm leaning towards the former, because you used the n00b card thing to accuse me. Which also proves my point of the counter-arguing hot-headedness.



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Final-Fan said:
Stefl1504 said:

I wonder if I would be allowed to make a guide for spurge on how to post links to posts/reduce his gigantic quote-posts to be little more readable. Since this would utilise outside tools included into the game, for something game relevant (youtube)

You don't need permission to create a guide that does not refer directly to this game.  If you wanted to use examples of scumhunting from this game instead of a previous one, I would like to allow it, but other people might feel pressured to examine what you say about it for clues about your alignment or the alignment of the authors or subjects of the scumhunting you're commenting on.  And then if they tried to make a case out of it, everyone else would have to go look at the "evidence", etc.  I think considering the current state of this game I would rather not rock the boat even further. 

But remember, anything not directly referring to this ongoing game is fine.  There are several past games with similar examples of insanely large posts with gratuitous amounts of quotation and messy commentary

I will get on those votals. 


Still needs it time to be set free... but here it is, and sorry if I am too stuttery and stuff... this was a fast work and I will hopefully make a better one for future references soon™



Yoshiya said:

~stuff~

I know that he(note: Stefl1504) is trying to cut down on the size of spurge's posts (great posts that have a lot of good points but they are really big and ungainly) but he commented on the post saying he liked it and then gave no further thoughts on it other than appearance. His other two posts are similar in nature, ie. they address something but don't actually attempt to analyse anything and one seems pretty irelevant (would have made sense to at least include a few thoughts along with it surely).

~moarstuff~


that is because they are tedious to read, but the sole value of spurge going through that trouble to make these posts is a heavy town tell on him.



Stefl1504 said:
Final-Fan said:
Stefl1504 said:


Still needs it time to be set free... but here it is, and sorry if I am too stuttery and stuff... this was a fast work and I will hopefully make a better one for future references soon™

Nice explaination. Also, they are called quotation marks or speech marks. Normally depending on the situation (quotation for quotes and speech for speech)



pezus said:
c03n3nj0 said:
pezus said:
j0, oh and the geniuses with the master plan, hatmoza and mario, as well perhaps?


lol, at first I thought this post was asking for yoshiya's opinions on mario, hat and I. But it looks like he ninja'd you. 

My last post still stands. 

I'll entertain you for a bit, thoug:. I have you at the head of Rarity, and no one for Rainbow Dash. I'm not gonna bother with the other two because it's me guessing. My Noctis and Zero suspicions are unrelated to the lists. 

Are you just bandwagoning by putting me at the top or do you actually have reasons? If you put me at the top there, and no one for Rainbow Dash, you surely should have some semi-strong evidence to report.

What does your Noctis and Zero suspicions being "unrelated" to the lists have to do with putting together your own list? They are in two different groups. You suspect them both. Yet doing a list with them at the top would be just guesswork? Come on, j0. None of us has this down 100%

Because if I put either Noctis or Zero on the top of my lists, it would imply I'm willing to clear the other people in their respective group as townies. Which I'm not! 

With yours, it's a combination of you pushing for lists. It's a bit convoluted, so bear with me: 

I get the impression that you're trying to side yourself too much with them. As in, they are the basis of your scum-hunting, while I maintain that they're not the best basis for scum-hunting right now. So as a mafia, you want to side yourself with what's going on and ride it's coat tails undetected. With this, you have the impression that you're scum-hunting while not doing it at all.

(Also, the whole "I'm afraid of being scum" thing. I don't see why you need to argue on how your play will definitely change as scum if you don't have anything to hide. That just makes me think you're scum! It's probably time, anyways.) 

I realize that stefl also has been gung-ho about it, but you're been relying on it a lot more. And hatmoza's just too... obvious now.

As for me not putting anyone in Rainbow Dash, it's because I legitimately think there's no mafia between Linkz, yoshi and I. One of them is townie (me, duh!) while I have townie feelings on linkz and yoshi that I'm willing to believe. If I didn't want to stick with my thoughts I'd choose linkz, 'cause he's experienced enough to dupe me into thinking he's town.



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zero129 said:
c03n3nj0 said:
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Imo people are being highly suspected of you right now so your trying to pass it off to another target and you see me as an easy one.

Not everyone who addresses you in a post is scum.

Let's put it this way:

Your behaviour is anti-town. It is distracting the town from scumhunting, it is allowing mafia to go undetected just by making more sense than you, it's encouraging emotional and reactionary playing from all involved. 

 That "style" might be yours but it is a bad strategy for town and you should change it.

Your goals as town day 1 could be summarised as:

1) Establish a constructive town environment
2) Establish yourself as town
3) Find mafia

I'd say in that order of priority. I understand you are new but even if you can't make good reads you can achieve 1 and 2 easily with some thoughtful posting. I have no idea how well you are doing at 3 but that's not relevant.



zero129 said:
c03n3nj0 said:
@ Zero, I'll find your links backing my suspicions later, if that'll appease you. I'm too grumpy and lazy right now and have college essays to write.

I'm just scared you'll do the same thing to hatmoza, say my links are "WRONG!!1!" and keep demanding for more. 'cause that's annoying.

Here's also the thing: I never said you pulled the n00b card. I was commenting on your style of play. So this is you misinterpreting what I said, or twisting what I've said. I'm leaning towards the former, because you used the n00b card thing to accuse me. Which also proves my point of the counter-arguing hot-headedness.

So my style of play makes me suspect even if you or i dont know my style of play?

This is just how i am, im a very random person.

Imo people are being highly suspected of you right now so your trying to pass it off to another target and you see me as an easy one.

And about the Links, yes id like to see them so i can see your reasonings for suspecting me, Also maybe i can answer some of them for you.

I am also really tired right now cos i been awake for over 24 hours

People are more unsure about your posts than you give yourself credit. For every player who is suspicious (me, soleron) there's some that convinced themselves your town (hatmoza, not sure if still) and peopel who can't narrow you down (linkz). 

So yeah, you're just calling yourself an easy target. 



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pezus said:
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j0 in his group because you seem very towny and linkz gives me a towny vibe as well. I feel like I don't even need to explain why you seem very towny, as it has already been done. Linkz pretty much always seems towny though, whether scum or town, but this time I am not quite as sure as I was last game. He has been questioning folks, mass-quoting etc. but...I can't pin it down. Something seems wishy-washy.

-snip-

The bold is actually very true, consider his stances on zero ("Sometimes I think this about him... sometimes I think that") and not having a suspect list. (That he's sure about, that is.) 

Are you a survivor, linkz?



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Also can i ask what more have you done for the town then i? im a distraction


Waiting to see if a deadline will be posted or if the game's going to be reset. If I post it has to be properly and that means spending an hour+ writing up someone.

Everything that can be usefully said about day 1 behaviour or about names has been said. Few have enough reason to commit because of the perpetual daytime.

Vote: impose Day 1 deadline



c03n3nj0 said:
pezus said:
-snip-

j0 in his group because you seem very towny and linkz gives me a towny vibe as well. I feel like I don't even need to explain why you seem very towny, as it has already been done. Linkz pretty much always seems towny though, whether scum or town, but this time I am not quite as sure as I was last game. He has been questioning folks, mass-quoting etc. but...I can't pin it down. Something seems wishy-washy.

-snip-

The bold is actually very true, consider his stances on zero ("Sometimes I think this about him... sometimes I think that") and not having a suspect list. (That he's sure about, that is.) 

Are you a survivor, linkz?

Nope, definitely town.