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spurgeonryan said:
Oh and quickly, Mantle has been on for hours. I did all of that in like 45 minutes or less. Re-reading my ass!

You have been talked about mantle. Time to come in and say I am tunneling you again. After you get defensive and what not I give you permission to leave again and lurk the game.

Sure. You are tunnelling on me.

I will give you the credit of putting in enough effort though. I don't have much to say right now since I am still in my process of re-reading (it takes time for me).

I mean, I don't have anything to say to anyone except for one person and I am saving it right now. I would rather do it after the re-read.

Also I haven't been on for hours. I am not sure where you are getting that. Also re-reading doesn't mean just looking at one person's post. And different people have different ways of re-reading. Like linkz for eg, he caught hat's post straight away, for things like that it helps.

And we have the privilege of unlimited day time until mod or votes decide against it. Why shouldn't I take my time spurge?



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Holy hell that's one of the most detailed analyses I've ever seen in a round of Mafia.

@Pezus: Right now, here are my #1 suspects from each group. Stefl, Linkz and Mario - all of whom haven't really made any mistakes so far, but I think have been playing it pretty safe; not really making any unexpected comments, just the usual say 1 stuff. Mantle looks suspicious based on Spurge's recent analysis, but I don't think a Mafia would go that far to try to get a person lynched based on such small (read: non-existent) evidence. Therefore I'd probably put Noctis as the last mafia of the 4.



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Also the part about stefl, I feel that he is town this game. He came out and voted for me, I took it as a joke. Also kind of got honoured that I was the first person to be voted lol.

 

If it was anything serious I would have attacked him. Unlike radish who was apparently joking with his question and then ends up asking a serious question.



radishhead said:
Holy hell that's one of the most detailed analyses I've ever seen in a round of Mafia.

@Pezus: Right now, here are my #1 suspects from each group. Stefl, Linkz and Mario - all of whom haven't really made any mistakes so far, but I think have been playing it pretty safe; not really making any unexpected comments, just the usual say 1 stuff. Mantle looks suspicious based on Spurge's recent analysis, but I don't think a Mafia would go that far to try to get a person lynched based on such small (read: non-existent) evidence. Therefore I'd probably put Noctis as the last mafia of the 4.

It was obviously not a non-existent evidence. And neither was it a small one. If you are town you were pretty careless to ask someone else their element when certain elements could be power roles; or at least when you seemed to believe that knowing town's elements can help scum.



Taking a break with my coffee to catch up a bit.
Website is due around the 1st, spurge, so as per your "good excuse" comment, well, the site will be up in a few days.

Anyway, I first didn't expect anything revolving around the meta. I too believed that some players would be other characters, so it's possible that groups of 4 may have additional ICs (independent characters) other than the 2 town 1 mafia. Though it's also just as likely that there are no ICs, or distributed in such a way as to not make a difference.
I also think that aside from what I've seen earlier regarding the "starting with groups of 3", I'd be more inclined to go after the groups of 4 first, because if there is any doubling up (along with zero's comment about mafia talking), then it's likely that it would be in there. Additionally we don't know moreno's name yet.
Most importantly, FF's reaction somewhat confirms the meta.
This has likely all been said at various times, but this is a good summary to help with moving forward.

Yes, we need to unveil a scum first...but that won't be a problem.

Putting the meta aside, I like noctis for a lynch simply because he's a thorn in the town's side at the moment, and even if town will be a good shield for mafia down the line. I KNEW his post was a hint, but it was '2deep4me', not a doctor but a pinkie :D So, since he's not a dr, he's on the menu imo. I also don't like that he didn't correct me and was willing to ride out my 'leave him alone' under the guise of a doctor. (If he even saw my posts).

Anyway, the day has gone on pretty long, and two days off might give moreno a chance to come back in and post his name for us. So I'm going to speed up the day a bit.
vote: noctis



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Spurge, your huge ass post, I like it, next time please use links instead of the whole posts, so that it a little more... overviewable... specially if quote boxes are broken sometimes, I still have to read through a lot of it to make a final judgement, but you going through the effort of actually not making a random post makes you smell towm.



All right, I think we can start moving on form discussing the logistics of this. After reading through everything I missed it feels like the town has largely been standing around holding their dicks. Like it's been mentioned before, the mafia could have found a way to mess with the groupings. Either way we have to get the ball rolling to actually find anything out. Having the pony list as a backdrop is it's safest place.

(After reading through the last 100 posts, I actually do feel guilty for the meta being exploited. But it happened, so whatever.)

Anyways, I'll start with my own group. I feel like yoshiya is obvious town. His play and style are those of a townie, and the feeling is only augmented because he's new. If he's mafia, I'm damn impressed his been playing the way he has.

And as for linkz, he has less of a town feeling, but I'm leaning town also. I don't know exactly his reasoning for stating that this whole meta-gaming shenanigans could have been exploited by mafia, but he was the first to do so.

Here's the possibilities of linkz:

1) He's a bluffing mafia. He saw the danger of what was happening, and called a bluff to get town to second guess themselves.
2) He made a mistake as mafia, and despite knowing the plan wouldn't work, told the town there was a loophole instead of letting them go on a wild goose chase.
3) He's town, and stated what he saw as obvious.

#1 to me seems like grasping at straws (which is interesting that zero would try to argue it) and linkz is too good a player to pull a #2. So, yeah. Someone enlighten me otherwise.

From the suspicion on myself it feels damn weird that I'm essentially clearing yoshi and links, but I'm believing that Mafia fake-claimed into the groups other than the dashes.

Now here's the people I'm willing to vote for:

Noctis - He's been a thorn on the town. I'm willing to admit that this vote is based a lot on wanting to not worry about him later on.

Zero - There's been a lot of instances we're I've seen "pretend" noob town from him. His early post (where he assumes townies can't be lynched) smells of distancing from mafia. Where hatmoza's wrong about his new player instincts on zero, is that a mafia is more likely to stick with their story to the death than see their mistakes as town. I saw that from zero more often than hatmoza's interpretation of hot-headed townie.

HoS - zero

(It always looks like he has something to say. I want to see what it is.)

Vote - Noctis

(Honestly, he's not likely to say anything more.)



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Yoshiya said:
Also, I agree we should be focusing on groups like Rarity or Rainbow Dash as there is fewer suspects in those groups which would make it easier to pin point the scum. If we were to start with the Pinkie Pie group which a lot of people seem to be suspicious of we would never get anywhere.

Not necessarily. There's a higher chance the mafia fake-claimed into the larger groups than the smaller groups, while steering clear of the smaller groups. 

Also, to you, who are the suspects in Rarity and Dash groups? 



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Stefl1504 said:
But to be honest, that question is kind of useless anyway~

Not necessarily. I think it is very useful.

 

pezus said:

Good points, but why do you think moreno has to be rarity or RD?

Because both of those groups only have 3 people. It wouldn't make sense otherwise.

 

Linkzmax said:

"We just have to figure out which of the four are the real elements of harmony and send them far away with our potion." =/= Everyone should massclaim, and then when mafia is found everyone else that claimed the same name is town.

There was no plan in Mario's post.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4748874

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No name flips upon death. Interesting. We better get roles flipped though... At any rate, we can assume everyone was telling the truth about their names. I am pretty sure about that.




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