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Describe the Jury's decision.

Smart: Apple did it first... 47 17.67%
 
Stupid: You can't patent... 216 81.20%
 
Total:263
ultima said:
Euphoria14 said:
ultima said:
Euphoria14 said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Sad thing is that Apple have millions of "sheep" that buy their shit every fucking yearwith those stupid prices. They want to give them the monpoly.

fuck them all


At least we have the decency to not say those same things tto you.

 

Enjoy your android that costs the same exact price as my iPhone.

Android and WP are all about choice. You can get a high end device for the same price as your iPhone or a cheaper device if you're not a power user. With apple, you have just the choice of internal storage. And if you look at the specs of the iPhone compared to the high-end Android devices, you'll see that you're paying the same amount for a (vastly) inferior product. Why are you so happy to admit that you want apple to have a monopoly? That's not good for anyone, including yourself. What incentive does a monopoly have to innovate? None whatsoever.


Want a powerful iPhone? Get a 4s. Galaxy S3 for same cost.

Want a cheaper iPhone, get a 4. Get an S2 for same price.

Want an iPhone for free? Get a 3GS. Get a crap android for free.

 

Wp7 has shit for an app store. Android is closing in on Apple, but Apple still either gets everything first or it gets exclusives.

 

Iphone specs suck, but everything looks better. Specs are not be all end all. Android are resource hogs, always having shit running behind the scenes. Ever seen Horn? Nice for shit specs.

 

 

It also doesn't hurt anything for me. I had 2x Galaxy S and had tons of issues, ranging from charger port malfunction, crap battery life, phone running shit after a month or two, not getting updates on time. The list is vast and I haven't even gotten into HTC issues.

I currently own a Galacy S3 as well as my 4S.

Games on my crap spec iPhone look better and run better than on the S3.

 

I am sure I know what I am talking about considering I have the two best devices on the market.

It's sad that you want to defend that you get choices and that's all you can muster. I mean, really? It's like this:

Want a high end console? Get PS4.

Want an older console? Get a PS3.

Want an even older console? Get a PS2.

The fact is all three of those devices are pretty much identical. You must be a huge apple fanboy if having that kind of a choice satisfies you. And just for your information, you might want to put the correct comparable Android device beside each of the iPhone iterations. It's more correct to say that S2 is in the same hardware range as the 4S, but at the price of 4; Galaxy S is at the same hardware range as the iPhone 4, but at the price of 3GS (if it were still sold that is). There is no Android equivalent of the vastly outdated 3GS.

WP marketplace may be tiny compared to Google's and Apple's, but there's still craploads of stuff to keep anybody occupied.

iPhone specs suck but everything looks better? That's just BS. I'm guessing you've never touched a Jellybean or even an Ice Cream Sandwich device in your life. You should really give the alternatives a try before talking so much shit. And no, I have no idea what Horn is.

I haven't ever owned a Galaxy S myself, but I know people who have. I've never heard complaints of battery life or of the phone running shit after a month or two. I'll concede that getting official updates on androids is a sketchy business, but most of the people I know have custom roms on their phones anyway.

I can personally vouch for HTC. I've owned 2 HTC phones, and have had a single problem with my old Nexus One: the power button failing, and that after more than 2 years of heavy use. The only other complaint I may have is with Sense, but, again, putting a custom rom on an android is almost easier than updating iOS on an iPhone.

Games on your crap spec iPhone run and look better than on an S3? I mean, seriously? For one thing, have fun looking at that 3.5" screen. But maybe you've been doing too much of that and your eyesight is permanently harmed. I seriously doubt you have an S3. I'm sorry if you actually do, but it seems unbelievable that a person who claims that the 4S is at the same level as something like the S3 would ever get anything but an Apple device.


I enjoy you getting mad that I made a different choice. This is why people like you are ridiculous.

Your initial argument also falls flat on is face. Ps4, Ps3 and pa2 run different software, the iPhones do not.

 

Try harder.



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Euphoria14 said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Euphoria14 said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Sad thing is that Apple have millions of "sheep" that buy their shit every fucking yearwith those stupid prices. They want to give them the monpoly.

fuck them all


At least we have the decency to not say those same things tto you.

 

Enjoy your android that costs the same exact price as my iPhone.

them = apple and the idiots that want them with the monopoly.

and my android costed 120 euros and do the same shit your iPhone does .


That's fine, you can get what ever you wish. 

What phone do you have?


U are limited to android 2.3 and your camera is 3mp while mine is 8. 

They can not do the same things.

 

If it is fine for you then good, but don't bitch about my choice.



iPhone = Great gaming device. Don't agree? Who cares, because you're wrong.

Currently playing:

Final Fantasy VI (iOS), Final Fantasy: Record Keeper (iOS) & Dragon Quest V (iOS)     

    

Got a retro room? Post it here!

Euphoria14 said:
ultima said:
Euphoria14 said:
ultima said:
Euphoria14 said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Sad thing is that Apple have millions of "sheep" that buy their shit every fucking yearwith those stupid prices. They want to give them the monpoly.

fuck them all


At least we have the decency to not say those same things tto you.

 

Enjoy your android that costs the same exact price as my iPhone.

Android and WP are all about choice. You can get a high end device for the same price as your iPhone or a cheaper device if you're not a power user. With apple, you have just the choice of internal storage. And if you look at the specs of the iPhone compared to the high-end Android devices, you'll see that you're paying the same amount for a (vastly) inferior product. Why are you so happy to admit that you want apple to have a monopoly? That's not good for anyone, including yourself. What incentive does a monopoly have to innovate? None whatsoever.


Want a powerful iPhone? Get a 4s. Galaxy S3 for same cost.

Want a cheaper iPhone, get a 4. Get an S2 for same price.

Want an iPhone for free? Get a 3GS. Get a crap android for free.

 

Wp7 has shit for an app store. Android is closing in on Apple, but Apple still either gets everything first or it gets exclusives.

 

Iphone specs suck, but everything looks better. Specs are not be all end all. Android are resource hogs, always having shit running behind the scenes. Ever seen Horn? Nice for shit specs.

 

 

It also doesn't hurt anything for me. I had 2x Galaxy S and had tons of issues, ranging from charger port malfunction, crap battery life, phone running shit after a month or two, not getting updates on time. The list is vast and I haven't even gotten into HTC issues.

I currently own a Galacy S3 as well as my 4S.

Games on my crap spec iPhone look better and run better than on the S3.

 

I am sure I know what I am talking about considering I have the two best devices on the market.

It's sad that you want to defend that you get choices and that's all you can muster. I mean, really? It's like this:

Want a high end console? Get PS4.

Want an older console? Get a PS3.

Want an even older console? Get a PS2.

The fact is all three of those devices are pretty much identical. You must be a huge apple fanboy if having that kind of a choice satisfies you. And just for your information, you might want to put the correct comparable Android device beside each of the iPhone iterations. It's more correct to say that S2 is in the same hardware range as the 4S, but at the price of 4; Galaxy S is at the same hardware range as the iPhone 4, but at the price of 3GS (if it were still sold that is). There is no Android equivalent of the vastly outdated 3GS.

WP marketplace may be tiny compared to Google's and Apple's, but there's still craploads of stuff to keep anybody occupied.

iPhone specs suck but everything looks better? That's just BS. I'm guessing you've never touched a Jellybean or even an Ice Cream Sandwich device in your life. You should really give the alternatives a try before talking so much shit. And no, I have no idea what Horn is.

I haven't ever owned a Galaxy S myself, but I know people who have. I've never heard complaints of battery life or of the phone running shit after a month or two. I'll concede that getting official updates on androids is a sketchy business, but most of the people I know have custom roms on their phones anyway.

I can personally vouch for HTC. I've owned 2 HTC phones, and have had a single problem with my old Nexus One: the power button failing, and that after more than 2 years of heavy use. The only other complaint I may have is with Sense, but, again, putting a custom rom on an android is almost easier than updating iOS on an iPhone.

Games on your crap spec iPhone run and look better than on an S3? I mean, seriously? For one thing, have fun looking at that 3.5" screen. But maybe you've been doing too much of that and your eyesight is permanently harmed. I seriously doubt you have an S3. I'm sorry if you actually do, but it seems unbelievable that a person who claims that the 4S is at the same level as something like the S3 would ever get anything but an Apple device.


I enjoy you getting mad that I made a different choice. This is why people like you are ridiculous.

Your initial argument also falls flat on is face. Ps4, Ps3 and pa2 run different software, the iPhones do not.

 

Try harder.

You should try harder to understand the analogy. Through backwards compatibility, PS4 can run PS3 software, PS3 can run PS2 software. Just like 4S can run software that was written for 4, which can run software that was written for 3GS. However, you can't really go the other way. A 3GS and even iPhone 4 will have a lot of trouble playing any decent modern game. Because that's what they exactly are: these phones aren't different tiers for different users, they're simply older versions of the same phone. My argument may not be airtight, but your rebuttal holds no merit against it.

And I'm not mad that you made a different choice. Speaking of which, didn't you say you had a GS3, so in a sense you did make the same choice? Or did you forget you claimed that? Back to the point though, I'm only mad because you side with apple here. These mindless lawsuits need to stop. I'm happy that you like your phone. I personally like Android and WP better than iOS. That's a preference. However, my "anger" that you're apparently enjoying has nothing to do with that preference. I just can't stand how apple is trying to take out its competitors.



           

ultima said:
skeezer said:
ultima said:
Euphoria14 said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Sad thing is that Apple have millions of "sheep" that buy their shit every fucking yearwith those stupid prices. They want to give them the monpoly.

fuck them all


At least we have the decency to not say those same things tto you.

 

Enjoy your android that costs the same exact price as my iPhone.

And if you look at the specs of the iPhone compared to the high-end Android devices, you'll see that you're paying the same amount for a (vastly) inferior product. 


Please post some comparisons.

Sure thing. Here are 2 of the top Android devices vs the 4S.

  iPhone 4S Galaxy S3 (International) One X (North American)
CPU Dual Core Cortex A9 0.8 GHz Quad Core Cortex A9 1.4 GHz Dual Core Krait (close to A15) 1.5 GHz
RAM 0.5 GB 1 GB 1 GB
Screen 3.5" IPS TFT, 960x640, Gorilla Glass 4.8" Super AMOLED, 1280x720, Gorilla Glass 2 4.7" IPS LCD2, 1280x720, Gorilla Glass 2
Battery Internal 1432 mAh Removeable 2100 mAh Internal 1800 mAh

I didn't compare the cameras, because the three have similar rear camera hardware. The two Android devices have more software camera features though. Front facing cameras on the two Android devices are also superior to the one in 4S. Moreover, the two Android devices are thinner and lighter than the iPhone.

You posted 2 phones released in 2012 and the iphone released in 2011. Why dont you compare the iPhone 4S to phones from 2011 or those 2 phones with the iPhone 5?



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skeezer said:
ultima said:
skeezer said:
ultima said:
Euphoria14 said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Sad thing is that Apple have millions of "sheep" that buy their shit every fucking yearwith those stupid prices. They want to give them the monpoly.

fuck them all


At least we have the decency to not say those same things tto you.

 

Enjoy your android that costs the same exact price as my iPhone.

And if you look at the specs of the iPhone compared to the high-end Android devices, you'll see that you're paying the same amount for a (vastly) inferior product. 


Please post some comparisons.

Sure thing. Here are 2 of the top Android devices vs the 4S.

  iPhone 4S Galaxy S3 (International) One X (North American)
CPU Dual Core Cortex A9 0.8 GHz Quad Core Cortex A9 1.4 GHz Dual Core Krait (close to A15) 1.5 GHz
RAM 0.5 GB 1 GB 1 GB
Screen 3.5" IPS TFT, 960x640, Gorilla Glass 4.8" Super AMOLED, 1280x720, Gorilla Glass 2 4.7" IPS LCD2, 1280x720, Gorilla Glass 2
Battery Internal 1432 mAh Removeable 2100 mAh Internal 1800 mAh

I didn't compare the cameras, because the three have similar rear camera hardware. The two Android devices have more software camera features though. Front facing cameras on the two Android devices are also superior to the one in 4S. Moreover, the two Android devices are thinner and lighter than the iPhone.

You posted 2 phones released in 2012 and the iphone released in 2011. Why dont you compare the iPhone 4S to phones from 2011 or those 2 phones with the iPhone 5?

Because iPhone 4S is currently the top of the line iPhone and it's priced at the same level as the other two phones. When iPhone 5 comes out it will be the one to be considered against the S3 and the One X, but for now this is a fair comparison.



           

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ultima said:
skeezer said:
ultima said:
skeezer said:
ultima said:
Euphoria14 said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Sad thing is that Apple have millions of "sheep" that buy their shit every fucking yearwith those stupid prices. They want to give them the monpoly.

fuck them all


At least we have the decency to not say those same things tto you.

 

Enjoy your android that costs the same exact price as my iPhone.

And if you look at the specs of the iPhone compared to the high-end Android devices, you'll see that you're paying the same amount for a (vastly) inferior product. 


Please post some comparisons.

Sure thing. Here are 2 of the top Android devices vs the 4S.

  iPhone 4S Galaxy S3 (International) One X (North American)
CPU Dual Core Cortex A9 0.8 GHz Quad Core Cortex A9 1.4 GHz Dual Core Krait (close to A15) 1.5 GHz
RAM 0.5 GB 1 GB 1 GB
Screen 3.5" IPS TFT, 960x640, Gorilla Glass 4.8" Super AMOLED, 1280x720, Gorilla Glass 2 4.7" IPS LCD2, 1280x720, Gorilla Glass 2
Battery Internal 1432 mAh Removeable 2100 mAh Internal 1800 mAh

I didn't compare the cameras, because the three have similar rear camera hardware. The two Android devices have more software camera features though. Front facing cameras on the two Android devices are also superior to the one in 4S. Moreover, the two Android devices are thinner and lighter than the iPhone.

You posted 2 phones released in 2012 and the iphone released in 2011. Why dont you compare the iPhone 4S to phones from 2011 or those 2 phones with the iPhone 5?

Because iPhone 4S is currently the top of the line iPhone and it's priced at the same level as the other two phones. When iPhone 5 comes out it will be the one to be considered against the S3 and the One X, but for now this is a fair comparison.


In about a month the iPhone 5 will be released and be priced at [most likely] 199, what will your argument be then? and BTW the iPhone 4S has been discounted to 149 with some places offering 100 dollar gift cards with them.

 

 

*with contract



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skeezer said:
ultima said:
skeezer said:

ultima said:

 Sure thing. Here are 2 of the top Android devices vs the 4S.

  iPhone 4S Galaxy S3 (International) One X (North American)
CPU Dual Core Cortex A9 0.8 GHz Quad Core Cortex A9 1.4 GHz Dual Core Krait (close to A15) 1.5 GHz
RAM 0.5 GB 1 GB 1 GB
Screen 3.5" IPS TFT, 960x640, Gorilla Glass 4.8" Super AMOLED, 1280x720, Gorilla Glass 2 4.7" IPS LCD2, 1280x720, Gorilla Glass 2
Battery Internal 1432 mAh Removeable 2100 mAh Internal 1800 mAh

I didn't compare the cameras, because the three have similar rear camera hardware. The two Android devices have more software camera features though. Front facing cameras on the two Android devices are also superior to the one in 4S. Moreover, the two Android devices are thinner and lighter than the iPhone.

You posted 2 phones released in 2012 and the iphone released in 2011. Why dont you compare the iPhone 4S to phones from 2011 or those 2 phones with the iPhone 5?

Because iPhone 4S is currently the top of the line iPhone and it's priced at the same level as the other two phones. When iPhone 5 comes out it will be the one to be considered against the S3 and the One X, but for now this is a fair comparison.


In about a month the iPhone 5 will be released and be priced at [most likely] 199, what will your argument be then? and BTW the iPhone 4S has been discounted to 149 with some places offering 100 dollar gift cards with them.

 

 

*with contract

First of all, I'm in Canada, and where I am 4S is still at about the same price as the Galaxy S3 and One X (although this is a different S3 from the one in the chart).

My argument won't change. iPhone 5 will still fall short of these two phones spec wise and still be at the same price. I'm of course extrapolating based on past apple launches. But this can be said with a high level of certainty. The only difference will be that the spec difference will be a bit smaller. I'm pretty sure it still will not be small enough to justify having the same price.



           

I'm on a phone and can't cut down quote trees, but the GS3 is my fiancé.

I picked the 4s for games.

 

We also don't know of ps4 will run ps3 games and the only ps3 that run ps2 software are discontinued.

3gs and especially the 4 can run over 99% of all current apps and games. 

 

My eyes are also fine, Thank you. I have 20/10 Vision in my right and 20/20 in my left.



iPhone = Great gaming device. Don't agree? Who cares, because you're wrong.

Currently playing:

Final Fantasy VI (iOS), Final Fantasy: Record Keeper (iOS) & Dragon Quest V (iOS)     

    

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Euphoria14 said:

I'm on a phone and can't cut down quote trees, but the GS3 is my fiancé.

I picked the 4s for games.

 

We also don't know of ps4 will run ps3 games and the only ps3 that run ps2 software are discontinued.

3gs and especially the 4 can run over 99% of all current apps and games. 

 

My eyes are also fine, Thank you. I have 20/10 Vision in my right and 20/20 in my left.

I don't know anybody who still has an iPhone 4, but two people I know used 3GS up until recently and ever since the iOS5 update, their phones were borderline unusable. Way too laggy and slow. Basic apps like messaging were taking ridiculously long to load. You can guess how games were performing on them.

Just assume backwards compatibility for the Playstation example. My aim was to show how ridiculous your justification sounds: you basically have a choice of new, old, or even older. Is that really a satisfactory pool of choices for you?

And I'm sorry for insulting your vision.



           

ultima said:
ishiki said:
ultima said:
Euphoria14 said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
Sad thing is that Apple have millions of "sheep" that buy their shit every fucking yearwith those stupid prices. They want to give them the monpoly.

fuck them all


At least we have the decency to not say those same things tto you.

 

Enjoy your android that costs the same exact price as my iPhone.

Android and WP are all about choice. You can get a high end device for the same price as your iPhone or a cheaper device if you're not a power user. With apple, you have just the choice of internal storage. And if you look at the specs of the iPhone compared to the high-end Android devices, you'll see that you're paying the same amount for a (vastly) inferior product. Why are you so happy to admit that you want apple to have a monopoly? That's not good for anyone, including yourself. What incentive does a monopoly have to innovate? None whatsoever.

You can make the same agrument about consoles vs PC can't you? do you play consoles?

He wasn't saying he wants apple to have a monopoly. I don't really see how everyone is like ZOMG's apple has a monopoly, when android has a higher market share than the IOS. (albeit on many different phones).

I do play consoles. Which argument would that be?

Read ClassicGamingWizz's original message and Euphoria's response to that. It sounds like Euphoria accepted what was said by CGW, despite the message not being directed towards him/her specifically. And one of the things in that message was, "they want to give [apple] the monopoly."

LOL. Nobody says apple has a monopoly. But they really want a monopoly from the way they're acting: they want to eliminate all of their competition through lawsuits.

That's how a lot of businesses get that big and act... that's what microsoft does, that's what intel does (both are in similar positions to apple in their respective markets)... I don't agree with it, but to magically single out apple as the devil is silly. If you can sue to "protect IP" you should, or you're letting down shareholders. The problem isn't apple, it's the law system that allows company's to do that.