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fastyxx said:
Allfreedom99 said:

You mean the president that said he would go through the budget "line by line" and trim off what wasnt necessary? The president who had control of both House and Senate for his first two years where he had the freedom to pass most of everything he wanted? The president who in 2011' budget was running a $1.3 trillion spending deficit? He may have proposed some spending cuts but all you hear him talk about when discussing the deficit is "taxing it from the rich." Dosn't sound very balanced when you actually listen to what he says and also what he has done as president. Just go look at the progression of the U.S. Debt and deficits in the future. They are unsustainable, but Obama has failed to really tackle that issue on paper.



A.  The President doesn't control House and Senate, even if they have the same letter in front of their names.  Unlike the GOP who has been lockstep unthinking zombies since Newt took over during the Clinton years, the Dems actually have debates within the larger party.  They don't always agree.  They vote their own ways in many circumstances.  The House and Senate disagreed. Pelosi and Reid and Obama didn't agree on everything.  

Conservatives on the one hand keep saying that Obama has forced through all this radical stuff that is ruining the country.....and then they turn around and ask "Well, why didn't he force through anything hwen he had "all the power'"?  If you can't see the logical ineptitude in that argument, I can't help you.  

The size of governmnt is down under Obama.  The number of governemtn employees on all levels is down under Obama.  Discretionary spending in most areas is down under Obama.  The debt numbers GOP apologists like to quote were almost all due to obligations out in place pre-2009  (Bush tax cuts, medicare part B, two wars, TARP, etc. etc. etc.).  To argue otherwise is ridiculous and completely dismisses all real facts. 

I certainly hope you are equally enthusiastic about getting rid of the GOP Congress if you are serious about dealing with people unable to work on deficits.  They've blocked every middle-of-the-road measure that's been attempted, let alone any "radical tax-loving leftist socialist communist redistribution plans."  You're quoting talking points instead of actually looking at the record.  The Congress was elected in 2010 on jobs and jobs and more jobs. They haven't passed ANY job legislation, and they've introduced almost none as well.  But they voted to repal Obamacare symbolically 30+ times.  They introduced a couple hundred abortion bills that do nothing.  

You can claim that the size of the government has shrank, but federal spending tells a different story:

There has been a very large increase in spending under the Obama administration ...



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HappySqurriel said:
fastyxx said:
Allfreedom99 said:

You mean the president that said he would go through the budget "line by line" and trim off what wasnt necessary? The president who had control of both House and Senate for his first two years where he had the freedom to pass most of everything he wanted? The president who in 2011' budget was running a $1.3 trillion spending deficit? He may have proposed some spending cuts but all you hear him talk about when discussing the deficit is "taxing it from the rich." Dosn't sound very balanced when you actually listen to what he says and also what he has done as president. Just go look at the progression of the U.S. Debt and deficits in the future. They are unsustainable, but Obama has failed to really tackle that issue on paper.



A.  The President doesn't control House and Senate, even if they have the same letter in front of their names.  Unlike the GOP who has been lockstep unthinking zombies since Newt took over during the Clinton years, the Dems actually have debates within the larger party.  They don't always agree.  They vote their own ways in many circumstances.  The House and Senate disagreed. Pelosi and Reid and Obama didn't agree on everything.  

Conservatives on the one hand keep saying that Obama has forced through all this radical stuff that is ruining the country.....and then they turn around and ask "Well, why didn't he force through anything hwen he had "all the power'"?  If you can't see the logical ineptitude in that argument, I can't help you.  

The size of governmnt is down under Obama.  The number of governemtn employees on all levels is down under Obama.  Discretionary spending in most areas is down under Obama.  The debt numbers GOP apologists like to quote were almost all due to obligations out in place pre-2009  (Bush tax cuts, medicare part B, two wars, TARP, etc. etc. etc.).  To argue otherwise is ridiculous and completely dismisses all real facts. 

I certainly hope you are equally enthusiastic about getting rid of the GOP Congress if you are serious about dealing with people unable to work on deficits.  They've blocked every middle-of-the-road measure that's been attempted, let alone any "radical tax-loving leftist socialist communist redistribution plans."  You're quoting talking points instead of actually looking at the record.  The Congress was elected in 2010 on jobs and jobs and more jobs. They haven't passed ANY job legislation, and they've introduced almost none as well.  But they voted to repal Obamacare symbolically 30+ times.  They introduced a couple hundred abortion bills that do nothing.  

You can claim that the size of the government has shrank, but federal spending tells a different story:

There has been a very large increase in spending under the Obama administration ...

If you noticed, fastyxx said most of the expansions came from pre-existing entitlements.



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Mr Khan said:
HappySqurriel said:
fastyxx said:
Allfreedom99 said:

You mean the president that said he would go through the budget "line by line" and trim off what wasnt necessary? The president who had control of both House and Senate for his first two years where he had the freedom to pass most of everything he wanted? The president who in 2011' budget was running a $1.3 trillion spending deficit? He may have proposed some spending cuts but all you hear him talk about when discussing the deficit is "taxing it from the rich." Dosn't sound very balanced when you actually listen to what he says and also what he has done as president. Just go look at the progression of the U.S. Debt and deficits in the future. They are unsustainable, but Obama has failed to really tackle that issue on paper.



A.  The President doesn't control House and Senate, even if they have the same letter in front of their names.  Unlike the GOP who has been lockstep unthinking zombies since Newt took over during the Clinton years, the Dems actually have debates within the larger party.  They don't always agree.  They vote their own ways in many circumstances.  The House and Senate disagreed. Pelosi and Reid and Obama didn't agree on everything.  

Conservatives on the one hand keep saying that Obama has forced through all this radical stuff that is ruining the country.....and then they turn around and ask "Well, why didn't he force through anything hwen he had "all the power'"?  If you can't see the logical ineptitude in that argument, I can't help you.  

The size of governmnt is down under Obama.  The number of governemtn employees on all levels is down under Obama.  Discretionary spending in most areas is down under Obama.  The debt numbers GOP apologists like to quote were almost all due to obligations out in place pre-2009  (Bush tax cuts, medicare part B, two wars, TARP, etc. etc. etc.).  To argue otherwise is ridiculous and completely dismisses all real facts. 

I certainly hope you are equally enthusiastic about getting rid of the GOP Congress if you are serious about dealing with people unable to work on deficits.  They've blocked every middle-of-the-road measure that's been attempted, let alone any "radical tax-loving leftist socialist communist redistribution plans."  You're quoting talking points instead of actually looking at the record.  The Congress was elected in 2010 on jobs and jobs and more jobs. They haven't passed ANY job legislation, and they've introduced almost none as well.  But they voted to repal Obamacare symbolically 30+ times.  They introduced a couple hundred abortion bills that do nothing.  

You can claim that the size of the government has shrank, but federal spending tells a different story:

There has been a very large increase in spending under the Obama administration ...

If you noticed, fastyxx said most of the expansions came from pre-existing entitlements.

I seem to recall Obama being elected on a campaign of hope and change.  One of those changes being reducing the deficit.  It is true that most of the spending increase has been due to pre-existing entitlements and lower revenue due to the recession.  However, Obama has done absolutely nothing to reduce the spending or reform the entitlements or change much of anything.  



"I am Andrew Paul Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well."



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

Chark said:

"I am Andrew Paul Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well."


Now that was a great game!



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gergroy said:
Chark said:

"I am Andrew Paul Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well."


Now that was a great game!

Just platinumed it. Great depiction of capitalism and its shortcomings in pure form.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(

HappySqurriel said:
fastyxx said:
Allfreedom99 said:

You mean the president that said he would go through the budget "line by line" and trim off what wasnt necessary? The president who had control of both House and Senate for his first two years where he had the freedom to pass most of everything he wanted? The president who in 2011' budget was running a $1.3 trillion spending deficit? He may have proposed some spending cuts but all you hear him talk about when discussing the deficit is "taxing it from the rich." Dosn't sound very balanced when you actually listen to what he says and also what he has done as president. Just go look at the progression of the U.S. Debt and deficits in the future. They are unsustainable, but Obama has failed to really tackle that issue on paper.



A.  The President doesn't control House and Senate, even if they have the same letter in front of their names.  Unlike the GOP who has been lockstep unthinking zombies since Newt took over during the Clinton years, the Dems actually have debates within the larger party.  They don't always agree.  They vote their own ways in many circumstances.  The House and Senate disagreed. Pelosi and Reid and Obama didn't agree on everything.  

Conservatives on the one hand keep saying that Obama has forced through all this radical stuff that is ruining the country.....and then they turn around and ask "Well, why didn't he force through anything hwen he had "all the power'"?  If you can't see the logical ineptitude in that argument, I can't help you.  

The size of governmnt is down under Obama.  The number of governemtn employees on all levels is down under Obama.  Discretionary spending in most areas is down under Obama.  The debt numbers GOP apologists like to quote were almost all due to obligations out in place pre-2009  (Bush tax cuts, medicare part B, two wars, TARP, etc. etc. etc.).  To argue otherwise is ridiculous and completely dismisses all real facts. 

I certainly hope you are equally enthusiastic about getting rid of the GOP Congress if you are serious about dealing with people unable to work on deficits.  They've blocked every middle-of-the-road measure that's been attempted, let alone any "radical tax-loving leftist socialist communist redistribution plans."  You're quoting talking points instead of actually looking at the record.  The Congress was elected in 2010 on jobs and jobs and more jobs. They haven't passed ANY job legislation, and they've introduced almost none as well.  But they voted to repal Obamacare symbolically 30+ times.  They introduced a couple hundred abortion bills that do nothing.  

You can claim that the size of the government has shrank, but federal spending tells a different story:

There has been a very large increase in spending under the Obama administration ...

Uh, Obama didn't pass a budget until 2010, so everything before that was due to Bush. Obama actually has been the most frugal president in recent history, less then bush and reagan.



Snovalo said:Uh, Obama didn't pass a budget until 2010, so everything before that was due to Bush. Obama actually has been the most frugal president in recent history, less then bush and reagan.

 


Stop mkaing people actually THINK about what the pretty graphs and charts really mean.  If GDP stagnates (not Obama's fault in any sense of the imagination unless you're blaming him for the entire world's economy) while the Bush tax cuts are still in full effect and the debt grows only slightly, the % compared to GDP balloons, which is what the chart shows.  But when you look at how much actual spending has accelerated, it's a very small number compared to almost everyone.  Here's a link to an article that discusses it.

 http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/

 

He's a lefty, but he's writing for Forbes so it sort of balances out a little.  LOL.   But you can see how easy it is to provide a completely opposite picture WITH A GRAPH!!!  Just finding a picture that seems to prove your point, with no context and no analysis behind it proves very little. It just shows how easy it is to be manipulate you.  



Can't we all just get along and play our games in peace?

Chark said:

"I am Andrew Paul Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well."


The funny thing about Bioshock is... a lot of people take it as  a repudiation of Ayn Rand... but if anything, if you listen to all the tapes and shit it seems if anything like a repudiation of Andrew Ryan the hippocrit..

 

I mean, the Objective Utopia Rapture rules early on, it got crazy technology we didn't have today and people seemed pretty happy, Andrew Ryan refused to help big buisnesses forcing them to compete with each other and provide value for people.

Things only really seemed to start really going to hell the minute he turned his back on his own principles because HE was being challenged by Falcone who had an advantage when it came to ADAM.  Falcone never crossed the line, which was hard considering how few lines there were... and eventually Andrew Ryan said "Screw the rules".

He lost his main supporters one by one until he finally took the one act that was most sacriligious to the objectivist code, in which he lost everybody.

 

Had Rapture never developed the ability to give people superpowers, there would be no catalyst and Rapture theoretically would of stayed perfect.

If anything, the creators of Bioshock seemed more sympathetic to such a philosphy then most.  I actually believe the writers of bioshock said this once in an intereview.



I was going to mention that graph is very misleading to the untrained eye. It is based on the comparison to GDP and we hit a recession, even if we spent less and taxed more the results could have still looked like this.



Before the PS3 everyone was nice to me :(