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fastyxx on 11 August 2012
Allfreedom99 said:
sperrico87 said:
Just did a little bit of research on Ryan... not impressed at all. Having difficulty seeing why everyone here thinks he's conservative...

He voted for Medicare part D (prescription drug expansion), all the bailouts, TARP ...the list goes on and on. He is the exact opposite of what I was looking for in a Romney VP pick. Just very distressing.

in terms of government policies he does have some black marks on his record in fiscally conservative eyes. He spent like 7 terms as a congressman.

To his defense though he did however push the Bush administration to propose privatizing social security, of which he did not get support for. And while I myself would have preferred another VP choice he at least is proposing to reduce spending and reform unsustainable programs. Unlike the Obama administration that seems to only tout "taxing the rich" will pay for them.

Google "obama proposes spending cuts" for the literally thousands of example sources showing where the president has suggested (or exacted) cuts in a whole host of areas, including many that frankly piss liberals off.   Just because he wants to balance cuts with some revenue doesn't mean anywhere near what you are saying.  It's a complete fabrication.  

 



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Galaki on 11 August 2012

I don't trust people with 2 first names.



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killerzX on 11 August 2012
Mr Khan said:
The Ayn-Rand-reading man who was once accused of "right-wing-social-engineering" by none other than Newt Gingrich?

Jackpot pick, Romney.


dear God do your comments make me laugh



killerzX on 11 August 2012
fastyxx said:
Allfreedom99 said:
sperrico87 said:
Just did a little bit of research on Ryan... not impressed at all. Having difficulty seeing why everyone here thinks he's conservative...

He voted for Medicare part D (prescription drug expansion), all the bailouts, TARP ...the list goes on and on. He is the exact opposite of what I was looking for in a Romney VP pick. Just very distressing.

in terms of government policies he does have some black marks on his record in fiscally conservative eyes. He spent like 7 terms as a congressman.

To his defense though he did however push the Bush administration to propose privatizing social security, of which he did not get support for. And while I myself would have preferred another VP choice he at least is proposing to reduce spending and reform unsustainable programs. Unlike the Obama administration that seems to only tout "taxing the rich" will pay for them.

Google "obama proposes spending cuts" for the literally thousands of example sources showing where the president has suggested (or exacted) cuts in a whole host of areas, including many that frankly piss liberals off.   Just because he wants to balance cuts with some revenue doesn't mean anywhere near what you are saying.  It's a complete fabrication.  

 

you mean like fake cuts in planned spending increases. not even actual cuts.



Allfreedom99 on 11 August 2012
fastyxx said:
Allfreedom99 said:
sperrico87 said:
Just did a little bit of research on Ryan... not impressed at all. Having difficulty seeing why everyone here thinks he's conservative...

He voted for Medicare part D (prescription drug expansion), all the bailouts, TARP ...the list goes on and on. He is the exact opposite of what I was looking for in a Romney VP pick. Just very distressing.

in terms of government policies he does have some black marks on his record in fiscally conservative eyes. He spent like 7 terms as a congressman.

To his defense though he did however push the Bush administration to propose privatizing social security, of which he did not get support for. And while I myself would have preferred another VP choice he at least is proposing to reduce spending and reform unsustainable programs. Unlike the Obama administration that seems to only tout "taxing the rich" will pay for them.

Google "obama proposes spending cuts" for the literally thousands of example sources showing where the president has suggested (or exacted) cuts in a whole host of areas, including many that frankly piss liberals off.   Just because he wants to balance cuts with some revenue doesn't mean anywhere near what you are saying.  It's a complete fabrication.  

 

You mean the president that said he would go through the budget "line by line" and trim off what wasnt necessary? The president who had control of both House and Senate for his first two years where he had the freedom to pass most of everything he wanted? The president who in 2011' budget was running a $1.3 trillion spending deficit? He may have proposed some spending cuts but all you hear him talk about when discussing the deficit is "taxing it from the rich." Dosn't sound very balanced when you actually listen to what he says and also what he has done as president. Just go look at the progression of the U.S. Debt and deficits in the future. They are unsustainable, but Obama has failed to really tackle that issue on paper.






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Kasz216 on 11 August 2012
fastyxx said:
So far, Romney introduced him as the next President. Then he attacked Obama for destroying Medicare right as he introduces Paul Ryan as his running mate - - you know, the guy who wants to get rid of Medicare. The Mormon president picks a guy who has been more influenced by an athiest than any other person in his life, and he wants to appeal to Evangelicals - -there's plenty of evangelicals who quite simply see direct conflict between Ayn Rand and Christ and find them irreconcilable. Romney says private sector experience is the most important qualification for being president. Paul Ryan has ZERO private sector experience. It's just a very weird, unnatural fit in my opinion.

To me it smacks of desparation. And I'm kind of surprised Ryan agreed to it, in that he runs a risk of tarnishing the brand he's built irreparably. Failed VP candidates often disappear never to be heard from again, so it's as much a risk for him as it is for Romney. I just don't really understand it at all.

Except he doesn't.  He wanted to fix Medicare so people would actually be able to have medicare in the future... but yeah, that's the perception i'm talking about.

His plan for medicare actually wasn't far off the bipartisan "Simpson-Bowles" plan for medicare reform... outside being somewhat less harsh on medicare.

 

 



Mr Khan on 11 August 2012
killerzX said:
Mr Khan said:
The Ayn-Rand-reading man who was once accused of "right-wing-social-engineering" by none other than Newt Gingrich?

Jackpot pick, Romney.


dear God do your comments make me laugh

Why? He's going to be easy to pick apart. Not as insane as Bachmann, but his selection is going to make it even easier for the Obama campaign to throw together the narrative that Mitt Romney is trying to destroy the middle and underclasses, with trying to dismantle the social safety net and showing outright contempt for the working class (the theme of Ayn Rand is contempt for the workers)



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killerzX on 11 August 2012
Mr Khan said:
killerzX said:
Mr Khan said:
The Ayn-Rand-reading man who was once accused of "right-wing-social-engineering" by none other than Newt Gingrich?

Jackpot pick, Romney.


dear God do your comments make me laugh

Why? He's going to be easy to pick apart. Not as insane as Bachmann, but his selection is going to make it even easier for the Obama campaign to throw together the narrative that Mitt Romney is trying to destroy the middle and underclasses, with trying to dismantle the social safety net and showing outright contempt for the working class (the theme of Ayn Rand is contempt for the workers)

you mean save it?

you know, so that it will actually still exist in the coming years.



gergroy on 11 August 2012
Mr Khan said:
killerzX said:
Mr Khan said:
The Ayn-Rand-reading man who was once accused of "right-wing-social-engineering" by none other than Newt Gingrich?

Jackpot pick, Romney.


dear God do your comments make me laugh

Why? He's going to be easy to pick apart. Not as insane as Bachmann, but his selection is going to make it even easier for the Obama campaign to throw together the narrative that Mitt Romney is trying to destroy the middle and underclasses, with trying to dismantle the social safety net and showing outright contempt for the working class (the theme of Ayn Rand is contempt for the workers)

Correct me if im wrong, but didnt the obama campaign actually name ryan as one their dream picks next to bachman and gingrich?  



Flanneryaug on 11 August 2012
Allfreedom99 said:
sperrico87 said:
Just did a little bit of research on Ryan... not impressed at all. Having difficulty seeing why everyone here thinks he's conservative...

He voted for Medicare part D (prescription drug expansion), all the bailouts, TARP ...the list goes on and on. He is the exact opposite of what I was looking for in a Romney VP pick. Just very distressing.

in terms of government policies he does have some black marks on his record in fiscally conservative eyes. He spent like 7 terms as a congressman.

To his defense though he did however push the Bush administration to propose privatizing social security, of which he did not get support for. And while I myself would have preferred another VP choice he at least is proposing to reduce spending and reform unsustainable programs. Unlike the Obama administration that seems to only tout "taxing the rich" will pay for them.

He is proposing to reduce spending on programs to help the poor, but not spending in general. His budget wouldn't balance for 28 years. It has an unnecessary 5 trillion dollar tax cut. The fact is Reoublicans act like they are fiscally responsible, but haven't been so for a long time.



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