To me. Evil is doing something wrong for literally no reason other then to do something wrong.

Give someone the choice of getting 10 dollars by walking two feet.

Or by pressing a button which murders some stranger.

I'm betting almost everybody walks a few feet.

Yes, I am.

There is no food and evil--everyone in the world thinks they're the good guy.

I find the more interesting question to be 'are humans inherently selfish?'

I can never come to any answer other than 'yes'.

After all, do we help people to help people? No, we help people because it makes us feel good to help people.

thekitchensink said: There is no food and evil--everyone in the world thinks they're the good guy. I find the more interesting question to be 'are humans inherently selfish?' I can never come to any answer other than 'yes'. After all, do we help people to help people? No, we help people because it makes us feel good to help people.

I'd say that we feel good because we like knowing that someone is better off. Which = helping people to help people. I agree that people are selfish but I don't agree with your last line.

thekitchensink said: There is no food and evil--everyone in the world thinks they're the good guy. I find the more interesting question to be 'are humans inherently selfish?' I can never come to any answer other than 'yes'. After all, do we help people to help people? No, we help people because it makes us feel good to help people.

I wouldn't say that all of us are 'selfish' given how some of us feel better by being unselfish. We always make choices to maximize profits though (be it mental well-being or financial), which is why I don't believe in free will.

 

I could go on, but for a while I've planned to make a thread about that subject sometime in the future :P

Jay520 said: thekitchensink said: There is no food and evil--everyone in the world thinks they're the good guy. I find the more interesting question to be 'are humans inherently selfish?' I can never come to any answer other than 'yes'. After all, do we help people to help people? No, we help people because it makes us feel good to help people. I'd say that we feel good because we like knowing that someone is better off. Which = helping people to help people. I agree that people are selfish but I don't agree with your last line.

But what you said doesn't contradict what I said.  We don't help people simply because it helps them.  Like you said we do it because we like the feeling it gives us.  If we didn't get that good feeling from it, and if we didn't like the fact that we helped the person, then we wouldn't do it.

thekitchensink said: Jay520 said: thekitchensink said: There is no food and evil--everyone in the world thinks they're the good guy. I find the more interesting question to be 'are humans inherently selfish?' I can never come to any answer other than 'yes'. After all, do we help people to help people? No, we help people because it makes us feel good to help people. I'd say that we feel good because we like knowing that someone is better off. Which = helping people to help people. I agree that people are selfish but I don't agree with your last line. But what you said doesn't contradict what I said.  We don't help people simply because it helps them.  Like you said we do it because we like the feeling it gives us.  If we didn't get that good feeling from it, and if we didn't like the fact that we helped the person, then we wouldn't do it.

And what do you think causes those good feelings? Also, you don't know if everyone gets good feelings when helping people. Nor do you know that people wouldn't help others without those feelings. You're really just assuming things impossible to know.

Honestly, I don't understand your logic at all. What your saying can be said about any act a human makes. "We dont eat because we enjoy eating. We eat because food taste good". "We don't have sex because we want to have sex. We have sex because it feels good". Etc. The fact is anything that we want to do will inherently cause good feelings when we do them.

kitler53 said: evil is a lie, the same action that is demonized as evil by one group of people will be celebrated as heroic by another. humans aren't good or evil, we are selfish. now where's my cookie?

where did you copy and paste that from

BasilZero said: Evil is the absence of Good, and Good is the absence of Evil. Since humans can be capable of both at the same time or different time, we are neutral.

I don't think those definitions make sense. According to your definitions, you've made the terms mutually exclusive, it would be impossible to possess both at the same time. If someone possesses one of the attributes, then by definition of that attribute, then that excludes the possession other attribute entirely. I think instead of using the word 'absence', you should use 'opposite'. In that case, the two wouldn't be mutually exclusive.

trasharmdsister12 said:

Ketchup is a vegetable! I vote for that guy to win that competition.

Based of that video... I got nothin'.