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VetteDude on 20 July 2012
the_dengle said:
killerzX said:

and i have more than little handguns, thankyou.

Thank you for simultaneously proving my point and justifying my fears.

 

VetteDude said:

You really think our military that SWEARS to defend the country from all foes foreign and DOMESTIC would enforce a gun ban? Think again, small minded pussy.

I don't know WHAT you're talking about. The military doesn't enforce the laws in our country. My point was that our military wouldn't be likely to open fire on citizens if they were ordered to (think about what happened in Egypt), and if the military DID take the side of the government and fought back against insurgents, well, good luck with whatever you've got.


But the military won't take the side of the government in a gun turn in. The military is protecting us from all enemies, foreign and domestic. And if the government does something like that to blatently take away the rights of American citizens, especially on that grand scale (more guns than people in the US), no way in hell the military would kill its own people because in that case, the government is the domestic enemy.



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chapset on 20 July 2012
VetteDude said:
radishhead said:

http://www.kctv5.com/story/19071381/shooting-at-theater-during-batman-premiere-in-colorado

I just turned on the news and I saw this incident - apparently it's the worst in the USA since a school shooting many years ago (I think), so it's extremely saddening.

Aside from just reporting the story however (which I assume American users know about already), I wondered what your opinions were regarding gun laws. It's impossible to deny that the chances of such a tragedy happening would be reduced if ownership of a gun is illegal without a license (assuming these licenses were very difficult to get, and wouldn't allow a civilian to carry one in public). Is the idea of possessing a gun an outdated idea, or is it still significant in the modern world?

You are so fucking ignorant. You've probably never shot an assualt rifle in you life and you are calling for a gun ban. I'm a law abiding citizen, I would never do this. But if I was in the movie  with my concealed carry, that guy would have been dead as soon as the first shot was fired.  And yes, to get a concealed carry you have to pass a test and go to classes. The only ones who abide by a gun ban are law abiding citizens. What would happen is more stuff like this where nobody can protect themselves.

ya right, ar15 + body armor vs 9 mm you think you would've stand a chance, also people might have tought you were with him and shoot at you too, don't forget the perp was a law abiding citizen too before he did that shooting



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VetteDude on 20 July 2012
Mr Khan said:
VetteDude said:
Plus the US government would bankrupt themselves trying to enact a gun ban. And history shows that a country with no money loses its military might real quick. You'd be surprised, most of the men in the military have no problems disobeying ordering when the paycheck stops rolling in.

Whose to say? If gun owners are so law-abiding, than the ownership would be registered, making it easy for local law enforcement to gather up the guns in the first phase of acquisition. As i suggested earlier, a "no-questions-asked" grace period would lie on top of that, where owners of unregistered firearms can freely surrender them at no penalty. After that, huge, huge fines for both weapons and per unit of ammunition, which could cover the costs of enforcement.


So the people with unregistered guns would still have guns? Wow, nice plan! You sound like a great politician!



insomniac17 on 20 July 2012
Mr Khan said:

Sure it would be easy for organized crime rings to acquire guns, but what about the junkie next door who's just looking for something for some quick muggings? The mafia is always going to have guns, but i don't see why we have to live in constant fear of getting shot just for that.

That's exactly right. Only the most dangerous criminals will have guns. That we would disarm everyone and leave only those who are most determined to break the law with guns scares me. As it is now, I do not live in a constant fear of getting shot, despite living in a state where I know people can carry a gun. The worst gun related incidents that come to mind took place in an area where guns were restricted, or no one else had a gun to stop the criminal. The people who would be restricted by gun bans are overwhelmingly the people who would not commit a crime, and would not be careless with a gun.

As for the junkie next door who's looking for a quick mugging; if he knows that people don't have guns, he knows he doesn't need one either. He could grab a knife or a bat, or some melee weapon, and that would be more than enough for him to do what he wants to do.



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the_dengle on 20 July 2012
VetteDude said:


But the military won't take the side of the government in a gun turn in. The military is protecting us from all enemies, foreign and domestic. And if the government does something like that to blatently take away the rights of American citizens, especially on that grand scale (more guns than people in the US), no way in hell the military would kill its own people because in that case, the government is the domestic enemy.

So if the military would protect the people from the government, why do the people need guns?



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VetteDude on 20 July 2012
chapset said:
VetteDude said:
radishhead said:

http://www.kctv5.com/story/19071381/shooting-at-theater-during-batman-premiere-in-colorado

I just turned on the news and I saw this incident - apparently it's the worst in the USA since a school shooting many years ago (I think), so it's extremely saddening.

Aside from just reporting the story however (which I assume American users know about already), I wondered what your opinions were regarding gun laws. It's impossible to deny that the chances of such a tragedy happening would be reduced if ownership of a gun is illegal without a license (assuming these licenses were very difficult to get, and wouldn't allow a civilian to carry one in public). Is the idea of possessing a gun an outdated idea, or is it still significant in the modern world?

You are so fucking ignorant. You've probably never shot an assualt rifle in you life and you are calling for a gun ban. I'm a law abiding citizen, I would never do this. But if I was in the movie  with my concealed carry, that guy would have been dead as soon as the first shot was fired.  And yes, to get a concealed carry you have to pass a test and go to classes. The only ones who abide by a gun ban are law abiding citizens. What would happen is more stuff like this where nobody can protect themselves.

ya right, ar15 + body armor vs 9 mm you think you would've stand a chance, also people might have tought you were with him and shoot at you too, don't forget the perp was a law abiding citizen too before he did that shooting


Who conceal carries a 9mm? I would have a weapon with a bigger bullet than his AR15 which is designed more for long range, no CQC.



sethnintendo on 20 July 2012

I don't own a gun nor would I ever considering that I would probably end up in jail. The only thing I wish for is gun advocates to stop telling people that don't like guns or want to limit some (example: assault riffles) pussies. How is not owning a gun qualify someone as a pussy. I believe it to be the other way around if anything. Like Nick Hexum says on Guns (are for Pussies) song, I fear no man and I am unarmed.

You should hear the talk radio in Austin, Texas with all the rednecks calling up just to talk shit about people that "want to take their guns". Hell, I don't even know why I bothered turning shit AM radio on.



the_dengle on 20 July 2012
VetteDude said:


Who conceal carries a 9mm? I would have a weapon with a bigger bullet than his AR15 which is designed more for long range, no CQC.

Are you saying you carry assault rifles around in your back pocket on a regular basis "just in case?"



VetteDude on 20 July 2012

I respect anyone's decision to not own a weapon. They become pussies when they want people who DO have guns to give them up.



chapset on 20 July 2012
VetteDude said:
chapset said:
VetteDude said:
radishhead said:

http://www.kctv5.com/story/19071381/shooting-at-theater-during-batman-premiere-in-colorado

I just turned on the news and I saw this incident - apparently it's the worst in the USA since a school shooting many years ago (I think), so it's extremely saddening.

Aside from just reporting the story however (which I assume American users know about already), I wondered what your opinions were regarding gun laws. It's impossible to deny that the chances of such a tragedy happening would be reduced if ownership of a gun is illegal without a license (assuming these licenses were very difficult to get, and wouldn't allow a civilian to carry one in public). Is the idea of possessing a gun an outdated idea, or is it still significant in the modern world?

You are so fucking ignorant. You've probably never shot an assualt rifle in you life and you are calling for a gun ban. I'm a law abiding citizen, I would never do this. But if I was in the movie  with my concealed carry, that guy would have been dead as soon as the first shot was fired.  And yes, to get a concealed carry you have to pass a test and go to classes. The only ones who abide by a gun ban are law abiding citizens. What would happen is more stuff like this where nobody can protect themselves.

ya right, ar15 + body armor vs 9 mm you think you would've stand a chance, also people might have tought you were with him and shoot at you too, don't forget the perp was a law abiding citizen too before he did that shooting


Who conceal carries a 9mm? I would have a weapon with a bigger bullet than his AR15 which is designed more for long range, no CQC.

and armor piercing bullets too?? and maybe a flame thrower and you would've flown away after saving everyone, get real, if you were there you would've die the first second you showed your gun, the guy was well prepared for is massacre with weapons he bought legally



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