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the_dengle said:
killerzX said:
the_dengle said:

Be the change you wish to see in the world. I don't want anyone owning weapons, either. So I will never own a firearm because I would be supporting gun ownership, and I will continue to fight for tighter regulation with my voice and my vote, because I don't want the people I care about to be gunned down by a crazy person. I shouldn't have to carry a gun, and make sure all of my friends and family carry guns, just to feel safe going to see a movie.

i share you bolded sentiments, and that is why i will continue to support the 2nd ammendment with my voice and vote, and deeds

Cool story bro, but my sister, my parents, my friends would never carry a gun. They just wouldn't, and neither would I. The only thing the Second Amenment does is give total strangers walking by me on the street the right to have guns, and to hide them from me. It does nothing to make me feel safer, and having a gun wouldn't make me feel safer, either.

and i respect your decision not to own a gun, as i wish you had respect my right to own one. i would never want to force someone to own a gun if the arent comfotable with one.

and people open carry all the time, so you could very well know if the had one. i  open carry quite often.



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the_dengle said:
killerzX said:

furthermore a gun ban would still leave guns in the hands of the government, what i fear most, and the whole point of the 2nd ammendment. that empowers our ever increasing government to become even more of a totalitarian statist dictatorship.

You know what I fear most? People like you. Paranoid people who carry guns because they're afraid that the government is going to "come after them." Come off it, what do you think, that the government is going to enforce some kind of police state? That you and all of your fellow gun owners are going to march on Washington with your little handguns and "take back our country?" Do you think the military would allow that to happen? Do you think the police would allow that to happen? Do you think a bunch of civilians could OPPOSE the military if they took the side of the government?

You really think our military that SWEARS to defend the country from all foes foreign and DOMESTIC would enforce a gun ban? Think again, small minded pussy.



the_dengle said:
killerzX said:

furthermore a gun ban would still leave guns in the hands of the government, what i fear most, and the whole point of the 2nd ammendment. that empowers our ever increasing government to become even more of a totalitarian statist dictatorship.

You know what I fear most? People like you. Paranoid people who carry guns because they're afraid that the government is going to "come after them." Come off it, what do you think, that the government is going to enforce some kind of police state? That you and all of your fellow gun owners are going to march on Washington with your little handguns and "take back our country?" Do you think the military would allow that to happen? Do you think the police would allow that to happen? Do you think a bunch of civilians could OPPOSE the military if they took the side of the government?

first off i dont fear the government, well i do just not in the way you are talking about. 

but i do fear a gun ban, and in turn that could very easily lead to a even more totalitarian regime, as all to often happen throughout history.

and i have more than little handguns, thankyou.

as for the bolded, yes, yes i do. i think most of the military like our freedoms and for the most part would support freedom. and if they didnt, the US citizen populice is the most armed group of people in the world, so it would be a good challenge.



Plus the US government would bankrupt themselves trying to enact a gun ban. And history shows that a country with no money loses its military might real quick. You'd be surprised, most of the men in the military have no problems disobeying ordering when the paycheck stops rolling in.



insomniac17 said:
vlad321 said:

Your logic fails miserably, AGAIN. Show me how many massacres were actually prevented by someone with a gun. I can only vaguely, maybe, remember one that was stopped, not prevented, by someone with a gun. That's about it. I'm not even sure if I remember that correctly though.

To be fair, it is difficult to say just how often a gun wielding citizen has stopped a criminal from committing a crime, because we'll rarely hear about it. Similarly, we won't ever really know how often someone just flashing a gun to a criminal has stopped crime, because we won't hear about it. I'm not sure why you are distinguishing between stopping and preventing an incident; it would seem to me that in both cases, the law abiding citizen with a gun was the reason the massacre didn't happen. The massacres I hear about, such as this one, seem to always occur when there is no legal gun owner present, and obviously no cops or anything.

For everyone who wants a gun ban everywhere in the US; criminals could just go abroad to get guns. To everyone who wants a worldwide gun ban; good luck. It'd be great to live in a world with no guns, but that'll never happen.

For those of you who want to see permits for gun ownership, sure. I can live with that. I live in a state that requires you to get a permit if you want to conceal and carry a gun. The permit takes quite a while to get, and you have to go through a class about guns, gun safety, etc in order to get the permit, and I'm sure they check your background as well. You also need to be 21 or older. What I don't want to see is a requirement to register guns with the government.

Sure it would be easy for organized crime rings to acquire guns, but what about the junkie next door who's just looking for something for some quick muggings? The mafia is always going to have guns, but i don't see why we have to live in constant fear of getting shot just for that.



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VetteDude said:
radishhead said:

http://www.kctv5.com/story/19071381/shooting-at-theater-during-batman-premiere-in-colorado

I just turned on the news and I saw this incident - apparently it's the worst in the USA since a school shooting many years ago (I think), so it's extremely saddening.

Aside from just reporting the story however (which I assume American users know about already), I wondered what your opinions were regarding gun laws. It's impossible to deny that the chances of such a tragedy happening would be reduced if ownership of a gun is illegal without a license (assuming these licenses were very difficult to get, and wouldn't allow a civilian to carry one in public). Is the idea of possessing a gun an outdated idea, or is it still significant in the modern world?

You are so fucking ignorant. You've probably never shot an assualt rifle in you life and you are calling for a gun ban. I'm a law abiding citizen, I would never do this. But if I was in the movie  with my concealed carry, that guy would have been dead as soon as the first shot was fired.  And yes, to get a concealed carry you have to pass a test and go to classes. The only ones who abide by a gun ban are law abiding citizens. What would happen is more stuff like this where nobody can protect themselves.

So certain, are we? In the darkness of a crowded theatre, chaos and confusion, or are we now advocating for our rights to kill innocent bystanders while we enact vigilante justice?



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killerzX said:

and i have more than little handguns, thankyou.

Thank you for simultaneously proving my point and justifying my fears.

 

VetteDude said:

You really think our military that SWEARS to defend the country from all foes foreign and DOMESTIC would enforce a gun ban? Think again, small minded pussy.

I don't know WHAT you're talking about. The military doesn't enforce the laws in our country. My point was that our military wouldn't be likely to open fire on citizens if they were ordered to (think about what happened in Egypt), and if the military DID take the side of the government and fought back against insurgents, well, good luck with whatever you've got.

 

killerzX said:

and i respect your decision not to own a gun, as i wish you had respect my right to own one.

I wouldn't respect your right to own a nuclear bomb, either, so I don't know why you want me to respect your right to own a different kind of weapon of mass destruction like an assault rifle.



Mr Khan said:
VetteDude said:
radishhead said:

http://www.kctv5.com/story/19071381/shooting-at-theater-during-batman-premiere-in-colorado

I just turned on the news and I saw this incident - apparently it's the worst in the USA since a school shooting many years ago (I think), so it's extremely saddening.

Aside from just reporting the story however (which I assume American users know about already), I wondered what your opinions were regarding gun laws. It's impossible to deny that the chances of such a tragedy happening would be reduced if ownership of a gun is illegal without a license (assuming these licenses were very difficult to get, and wouldn't allow a civilian to carry one in public). Is the idea of possessing a gun an outdated idea, or is it still significant in the modern world?

You are so fucking ignorant. You've probably never shot an assualt rifle in you life and you are calling for a gun ban. I'm a law abiding citizen, I would never do this. But if I was in the movie  with my concealed carry, that guy would have been dead as soon as the first shot was fired.  And yes, to get a concealed carry you have to pass a test and go to classes. The only ones who abide by a gun ban are law abiding citizens. What would happen is more stuff like this where nobody can protect themselves.

So certain, are we? In the darkness of a crowded theatre, chaos and confusion, or are we now advocating for our rights to kill innocent bystanders while we enact vigilante justice?


You think I would kill an innocent bystander? you're a fucking idiot, I said the shooter would be dead. Its easy to tell where gunfire is coming from. Maybe you've never seen a gun shoot or shot one before?



VetteDude said:
the_dengle said:
killerzX said:

furthermore a gun ban would still leave guns in the hands of the government, what i fear most, and the whole point of the 2nd ammendment. that empowers our ever increasing government to become even more of a totalitarian statist dictatorship.

You know what I fear most? People like you. Paranoid people who carry guns because they're afraid that the government is going to "come after them." Come off it, what do you think, that the government is going to enforce some kind of police state? That you and all of your fellow gun owners are going to march on Washington with your little handguns and "take back our country?" Do you think the military would allow that to happen? Do you think the police would allow that to happen? Do you think a bunch of civilians could OPPOSE the military if they took the side of the government?

You really think our military that SWEARS to defend the country from all foes foreign and DOMESTIC would enforce a gun ban? Think again, small minded pussy.


you shouldnt need a gun to protect yourself that fact that they allow guns in america means it is bought into the culture. I would bew absolutely shocked if i saw anyone with a gun even at there home here in nz, and you guessed it there is almost no gun murders here if there it the trial is like the main news for a week or 2. screw living in america bunch of extremists



VetteDude said:
Plus the US government would bankrupt themselves trying to enact a gun ban. And history shows that a country with no money loses its military might real quick. You'd be surprised, most of the men in the military have no problems disobeying ordering when the paycheck stops rolling in.

Whose to say? If gun owners are so law-abiding, than the ownership would be registered, making it easy for local law enforcement to gather up the guns in the first phase of acquisition. As i suggested earlier, a "no-questions-asked" grace period would lie on top of that, where owners of unregistered firearms can freely surrender them at no penalty. After that, huge, huge fines for both weapons and per unit of ammunition, which could cover the costs of enforcement.



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