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Who will exit the market next gen?

Sony 225 49.02%
 
Microsoft 98 21.35%
 
Nintendo 67 14.60%
 
Sony & Nintendo 20 4.36%
 
Microsoft & Nintendo 21 4.58%
 
Microsoft & Sony 27 5.88%
 
Total:458
Squall_Leonhart on 13 July 2012

I don't think that any of the companies are going to leave the market after next-gen but if i were to take a guess if one had to leave then it would be Sony but only if they were to go out of business!

Nintendo only has gaming so they aren't going anywhere anytime soon and the only way MS would leave is if they restructured and reigned back their divisions but again i don't see that happening as it is making them money.

I really hope that none of them leave the business as competition is what gave us the brilliant games we have to play today



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NintendoPie on 13 July 2012
Andrespetmonkey said:
NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
NintendoPie said:

They are also head of the company and make the decisions for the company.

Yep, I know that... that still doesn't mean much in relation to what you said they've said. They are a business and will go where the money goes, just like every other business. 

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What? They never made HardWare for their OS. They had others do it. I'm not sure what you're are trying to say here.

-_- Yeah they do. Surface? Xbox? Windows phone? It's preeeetty clear what I'm saying, i.e. exactly what I said.

It wasn't clear what you were saying as I was obviously talking about Windows PC.

I will leave it at that. I disagree.


Now I'll really leave it at that









Kasz216 on 13 July 2012
Aielyn said:
Kasz216 said:
Which are heavily tied around there games...

If Pokemon games don't sell, it's merchandise and TV show surely won't.

 

As for Arcades... they're dieing.  Ask the aforementioned Sega and Namco.

There are far fewer then there used to be, and many of them are alright with keeping decade old machines.

Honestly, does Nintendo even make Arcade games anymore?  I mean, i remember seeing a pretty recent "Mario Kart" arcade game however I believe it was liscensed  and produced by Namco.  I played Blinky if I remember correctly.

I mean, I'd imagine the majority of their revenue arcade wise is from their arcade hardware, which they base off their home consoles... most recent i know of being the Triforce... in conjunction with Namco and Sega, pretty much the last dogs in the arcade industry.

And what happens when many of Nintendo's IPs start showing up in arcades? Mario Kart, Donkey Kong, and Pokemon are the only ones there, now. What happens when you start to see 2D Mario games in arcades? I'm fairly sure that they'd be safe for a couple of years, at least, following which they would likely continue to adapt, and possibly even introduce something that makes arcades popular again (or not - it's kind of hard to tell).

And no, the Pokemon TV series is strong - so strong, in fact, that for Pokemon Yellow they had to change the designs of quite a few pokemon to match the designs of the TV series. The Pokemon TV series is particularly big in Japan. And the merchandise probably continues to do quite well in the absence of the games for a few years, at least.

Anyway, my point was just that Nintendo is pretty resilient, they would survive even if their console/handheld gaming business crashed.

Here's the thing.  Arcades are dieing, and your WAY overestimating Pokemon.

As an example.... Using the 2009 Financial Report, since I'm getting errors from 2010 and 2011....

The "Non Electronic Division" pulled in 3.2 Billion yen.  Which is 33 million dollars.

 

 



SOLIDSNAKE08 on 14 July 2012
binary solo said:
Sony pulled it back to viability this gen, and despite what they've done with Vita I think they are going to be a lot better at the launch of PS4 than they were with PS3. PS is the better performing brand for the company so it would be shooting themselves in the head of they ditched PS brand as an attempt to get back in black. As long as Sony survives PS brand will be around. And even if Sony dies brand PS is likely to be sold to someone else to live on...Samsung maybe. I'd buy a Samsung Playstation, as long as all the 1st party studios came with.

Ninty is a purely gaming company so they will be there as long as there's video gaming. There's really nothing to suggest Ninty would exit next gen even if they did worst.

While Xbox is not a main source of profits, nor their highest margin product, it's part of MS's overall strategy of world domination. If they ditched Xbox they can forget about owning the lounge/family room, which is simply not acceptable to them. Even if Xbox brand does poorly outside the American continent next gen, the Americas will be big enough for them to stay in the game long term.

I disagree completely with the OP that it's likely only one console will beat 50M in sales, I think it's likely all 3 will. And there's always going to be plenty of Ninty ans Sony exclusives because of the 1st party stables. I think all 3 can easily crack 50 million sales within 6 years. If this gen has a total market of >230 million units then next gen can easily have a total market of 200 million with the lowest selling platform getting at least 50Million of that

I don't think anyone will be leaving but out of the scenarios that could cause one of the players to exit I think Ninty imploding and self destructing is the least likely, MS failing in the Americas is highly unlikely and Sony dying as a whole company is unlikely. Given the least unlikely situtation is Sony dying then this is the most likely thing to occur. So if one must vote one must vote Sony.

lol samsung playstation? scrap that, it will always be Sony PlayStation!



Aielyn on 14 July 2012
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
lol samsung playstation? scrap that, it will always be Sony PlayStation!

While Samsung might buy the brand, they'd probably set it up with its own subsidiary, called Playstation Ltd, or something - that way, it would literally just become Playstation, without having the Samsung brand. Why? Because they wouldn't want Sony linked with Samsung directly.



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haxxiy on 14 July 2012

They are all going to exit and our kids will have to choose between Google (they swear that cam mdoesn't spy on you and that doesn't keep all your personal information, but you know better), Activision (pay for an always-online MP game who expires after one year when the server shuts down, and they ban accounts randomly) and Samsung (looks pretty much the cheap version of an Apple product but the l33ts will claim it's b3tter).



 

 

 

 

 

darkknightkryta on 14 July 2012

I think after next gen, the gaming landscape is going to be very different. Microsoft is really out of focus right now, so I can see their game console turn into something to "beat apple" with, cause Apple is the new Sony. Sony needs the Playstation brand, but I see them becoming a third party distributor and using their console as a reference box. The wild card is Nintendo. Nintendo only profited before the Wii because of their handhelds, their handheld is currently loosing money, this leaves the Wii-U in a very precarious situation. I personally don't believe the Wii-U has the magic that the Wii had, the simplicity, the fun. And if the Wii-U doesn't sell amazing out of the gate Nintendo is going to be in big trouble. It took 6 years for Sony to put itself in the hole it dug, Nintendo is a lot smaller compared to what Sony was, it'll only have a faster fall. Assuming the Wii-U fails, should it do good, then Nintendo will be the sole dedicated game console.



sperrico87 on 14 July 2012

I wish there was an option for 'none', because I don't think any of the Big 3 will exit after the next hardware cycle.

I picked Microsoft, only because they seem to me to be the least-reliant on game and hardware sales compared to Sony and Nintendo. They make most of their money and focus most of their business on Windows software, and they really don't need videogames to survive. They've done well, and they can continue to do well, but if worst comes to worst and the demand and the console market collapses, they could easily leave and never look back. With their new-found extreme focus on entertainment and video applications versus AAA video games, they seem to be positioning themselves for that eventuality anyway.

Nintendo is the least likely to ever leave, even if the Wii U doesn't do very well. Worst-case scenario, even with GameCube-level sales, which let's be honest, is very unlikely, Nintendo would still stick it out for better or worse. GameCube was still making a tidy profit for Nintendo well into 2005, even after hardware and software sales had mostly dried up.

Sony is also not likely at all to ever leave the hardware business, because as Jack Tretton said, they are unabashedly going after the hardcore gamer crowd, and that's all they care about. That group of 10-20 million people like us who buy early hardware, lots of accessories, lots of games, and lots of downloads. There's a lot of money in that 18-34 demographic of males with lots of disposable income who enjoy spending a lot of money on videogames. That is Sony's bread and butter. It would be stupid of them to give that up, and they well know that.



 

JEMC on 14 July 2012
darkknightkryta said:
I think after next gen, the gaming landscape is going to be very different. Microsoft is really out of focus right now, so I can see their game console turn into something to "beat apple" with, cause Apple is the new Sony. Sony needs the Playstation brand, but I see them becoming a third party distributor and using their console as a reference box. The wild card is Nintendo. Nintendo only profited before the Wii because of their handhelds, their handheld is currently loosing money, this leaves the Wii-U in a very precarious situation. I personally don't believe the Wii-U has the magic that the Wii had, the simplicity, the fun. And if the Wii-U doesn't sell amazing out of the gate Nintendo is going to be in big trouble. It took 6 years for Sony to put itself in the hole it dug, Nintendo is a lot smaller compared to what Sony was, it'll only have a faster fall. Assuming the Wii-U fails, should it do good, then Nintendo will be the sole dedicated game console.

Before making some claims, you should first be sure that they are correct.

Nintendo made money from every hardware they have sold, starting from the NES until the Wii. The 3DS is currently making them lose money, but that doesn't mean that by Christmas 2013 they may have made that money back and making a healthy profit from it.

And yes, Nintendo is smaller than Sony, but because of that they can focus on 1 problem to solve it while Sony, being so big and with so many divisions can't do it, and when some of those divisions started to lose money (TVs, consoles, etc) they found themselves in trouble.



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darkknightkryta on 14 July 2012
JEMC said:
darkknightkryta said:
I think after next gen, the gaming landscape is going to be very different. Microsoft is really out of focus right now, so I can see their game console turn into something to "beat apple" with, cause Apple is the new Sony. Sony needs the Playstation brand, but I see them becoming a third party distributor and using their console as a reference box. The wild card is Nintendo. Nintendo only profited before the Wii because of their handhelds, their handheld is currently loosing money, this leaves the Wii-U in a very precarious situation. I personally don't believe the Wii-U has the magic that the Wii had, the simplicity, the fun. And if the Wii-U doesn't sell amazing out of the gate Nintendo is going to be in big trouble. It took 6 years for Sony to put itself in the hole it dug, Nintendo is a lot smaller compared to what Sony was, it'll only have a faster fall. Assuming the Wii-U fails, should it do good, then Nintendo will be the sole dedicated game console.

Before making some claims, you should first be sure that they are correct.

Nintendo made money from every hardware they have sold, starting from the NES until the Wii. The 3DS is currently making them lose money, but that doesn't mean that by Christmas 2013 they may have made that money back and making a healthy profit from it.

And yes, Nintendo is smaller than Sony, but because of that they can focus on 1 problem to solve it while Sony, being so big and with so many divisions can't do it, and when some of those divisions started to lose money (TVs, consoles, etc) they found themselves in trouble.

Yes, the Gamecube, n64, Wii, etc, were all sold at profit.  But how much profit are those console sales?  It's not like the n64 or Gamecube sold 90 million like the Wii.  It was more or less a combination of strong handheld sales, both software and hardware, that kept Nintendo profitable.  Like the point I'm trying to get at is that, not necessarily with the n64 as it had decent sales software and hardware, but the Gamecube didn't have the software sales to bring Nintendo profit, a combination of handheld sales with the Gamecube did that.  Plus look at it like this, the 3DS is making Nintendo lose money.  Not break even, lose.  They posted their first loss because of the 3DS, what do you think is gonna happen if the Wii-U fails to take off?  Nintendo's only other form of revenue is merchandise, and I doubt those Mario candy is bringing Nintendo a lot of money.  Nintendo is in a win/lose situation without anything to fall back on.