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DirtyP2002 on 03 July 2012
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Core games or not they still sucked. They aren't investing in core games the way they should be.

Certainly making a better effort then Nintendo. 

But XBLA seems to be where they are taking risks with new content. Spelunky is a MS published game, coming out next week,  getting great reviews. 


Microsoft has proven that they've tried with high risk titles and failed too many times, which is why they always take the cheap route with XBLA. High reward for low risk. They only care to invest in proven franchises which literally are less than a handful. They aren't good at making exclusives and two generations is proof of that enough for the blind. Nintendo doesn't make enough core titles but when they pump out a Metroid, Zelda, Mario or any of their stable it tends to be a hit. My only worry for them is making a new IP. 

High reward with low risk.........literally the dream spot for any company to aspire to, in this case creating great experiences at a fraction of the cost at a fraction of the price for us gamers. Its metacritic score also carries as much weight as a big budget game because fun is fun and quality is quality no matter the polygon count. And your making it sound like a bad thing......

I also see nothing wrong with investing in proven franchises that gamers want. Seems they know their boundaries. Big budgets go to franchises the fans want and care about. New ideas, fresh gameplay, and variety now lies in XBLA. Beats investing tens of millions into a game thats literally hit or miss. 


It is not a dream spot. To have to lower the quality of games just to make a profit is pushing nothing. It's just smart is all itis, the way games are moving isn't moving upwards or downwards, just in a the same place its always been to be quite frank. Microsoft fails at titles because they aren't a creative company. Microsoft is only at their best when they find a proven project and invest in it. Microsoft could leave the gaming industry and still publish games and profit off of those. They did it before they even came into the race. I could care less whether they stay or go to tell the truth, outside of Halo and Gears they are irrelevant to the cause of gaming. Don't take this to heart, this is just my opinion. Outside of functional online and Halo Microsoft has brought aggressive marketing the likes Sony and Nintendo have never dealt with. If they are to learn a lesson from them it is that. I've invested enough in Microsoft for two generations and their best games imho dont come from them.

This is the point where you are wrong.

Look at the franchises MS keeps investing in.

  • Halo: sold millions, fans love it, game innovates with every sequel, every major Halo is rated higher than 90 on meta
  • Gears of War: sold millions, fans love it, every game is 90+ on meta.
  • Forza: sold millions, unmatched quality in this genre, every game is 90+ on meta.

Sony was not able to build a franchise as successful as these in the past 10 years. People like you go all out and praise Sony for delivering new IPs, but that is just because their new IPs flop. Do you think we will ever see a major Twisted Metal game again? Will there be a Starhawk 2? Resistance is officialy dead already. MAG 2 won't happen either. Modnation Racers looks unlikely to me.

The only game that COULD be mentioned is LBP from the PS3 generation, but this franchise is in sharp decline from LBP to LBP 2 and doing a Karting game and Media Molecule working on a new IP does not show me Sony will heavily invest in this franchise in the future.

From the PS2 generation there is God of War, a game that absolutely fits in the category of the MS games and guess what - Sony does the same as MS.


You never proved me wrong.

1. Gears is third party. As I said before third party "exclusives" always in mass overshadowed the bulk of Microsofts first party because it was always weak. 

2. I never denied Halo, Project Gotham, Fable or Forza, but they stand on their own and they were the only surviving franchises to next gen where the list dwindled further. Microsoft left the Project Gotham team to rot with Activision. Hopefully Microsoft does the merciful thing and just lets Fable die after Molyneux and his team go onto other ventures.

3. Of course Sony has always had a more successful franchise than Project Gotham and Forza combined. It's called Grand Turismo.

Sony is always pushing fresh new IP's which may not be marketed properly but are quickly becoming the face of their platform. I don't care if they dont have as much acclaim as a handful of titles. A gamer should take pride in enjoying various experiences and overcoming them. Case closed.
  1. Gears is 2nd party, published by MS. Epic called themselves even first party before.
  2. Ehm you denied Fable in your previous post. You called it a letdown 50 Minutes ago!
  3. Gran Turismo is not a franchise fom the past 10 years, isn't it?

Nice try though.

These new IPs did not sell well due to bad marketing, they sold bad, because they did not appeal to a lot of people and PS3 gamers did not want to spend $50 on it, because these games were not worth it according to them. Otherwise they would have bought them.

"A gamer should take pride in blabla" Is this now a religion and you are the leader telling me, a gamer, how I should behave? I am a gamer for the better part of my life and I would go nuts if MS stopped investing in Halo, Gears or Fable and only focus on new IPs that will be killed 1-2 years later.

1. Gears is wholly owned by Epic. Its third party. Microsoft just publishes exclusivity and the first game wasn't only on the Xbox 360 but the PC. Microsoft signed an exclusivity contract with them.

2. Fable was promised to be a groundbreaking franchise. It failed time after time. Good idea, sold purely on lies.

3. Project Gotham and Forza were created with the purpose of taking out Gran Turismo.

Perhaps I was a bit blunt when I stated pride in liking variety. Thats not Microsofts deal. Gears is as good as dead after this gen is over, they've milked the franchise. The core Fable minds (including Molyneux) left Lionhead Studios, so all you can do is pray. As for  Halo....it's truthfully all Microsoft has. If I were you putting faith in Microsoft I would hope they come out with successful new IP's, because they don't act like a gaming company at all.

 

  1. So what is 2nd party for you then? 1st party: Developer and Publisher: MS, 2nd party: Developer XXX and publisher MS, 3rd party: Developer XXX and Publisher XXX. That is the most reasonable explanation to me. Anyway, you won't find a perfect definition.
  2. You can't sell 3 games with 5 million for every game on lies. It is a loved franchise. Fable II was AWESOME in every aspect. Fable III took a different approach. I liked it, but did not love it. IF it was so easy, why doesn't Sony do the same? Their first paty games need every sale they can get as the 1.2 billion USD loss showed. Ah I know, Sony is awesome and MS is the devil.
  3. Your point? Looking forward to LBP Karting, PSABR this year?

Gears universe is huge and will continue next gen and it will outsell 99% of the Sony franchises. But hey, whatever makes you happy. As long as you believe what you tell yourself you are fine I guess.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 03 July 2012

You are both forgetting Uncharted.



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DirtyP2002 on 03 July 2012
Alby_da_Wolf said:
You are both forgetting Uncharted.


No, not every games was 90+ on meta, which was my point couple of posts ago. Somehow Fable was brought up (not by me though). But I agree, Uncharted is the only really big franchise Sony created of the past 7 years.

And here again, just like with God of War, Sony does the same as MS. Investing in it, release sequels for it (4 games in 5 years). And this is not a bad thing at all, if consumers want it and buy it. Every company would LOVE to have these franchises like Halo, Gears, Fable, Forza. But when MS keeps investing in it, it is bad.

Sony tries to create franchises as succhessful as these and did not really get there yet, so new IPs will be killed shortly after (MAG, Resistance, Starhawk, Twisted Metal etc). The two franchises that got there God of War and Uncharted are handled by Sony the same way MS handles their games. This is the only point I tried to make.



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Legend11 on 03 July 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DirtyP2002 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DirtyP2002 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Core games or not they still sucked. They aren't investing in core games the way they should be.

Certainly making a better effort then Nintendo. 

But XBLA seems to be where they are taking risks with new content. Spelunky is a MS published game, coming out next week,  getting great reviews. 


Microsoft has proven that they've tried with high risk titles and failed too many times, which is why they always take the cheap route with XBLA. High reward for low risk. They only care to invest in proven franchises which literally are less than a handful. They aren't good at making exclusives and two generations is proof of that enough for the blind. Nintendo doesn't make enough core titles but when they pump out a Metroid, Zelda, Mario or any of their stable it tends to be a hit. My only worry for them is making a new IP. 

High reward with low risk.........literally the dream spot for any company to aspire to, in this case creating great experiences at a fraction of the cost at a fraction of the price for us gamers. Its metacritic score also carries as much weight as a big budget game because fun is fun and quality is quality no matter the polygon count. And your making it sound like a bad thing......

I also see nothing wrong with investing in proven franchises that gamers want. Seems they know their boundaries. Big budgets go to franchises the fans want and care about. New ideas, fresh gameplay, and variety now lies in XBLA. Beats investing tens of millions into a game thats literally hit or miss. 


It is not a dream spot. To have to lower the quality of games just to make a profit is pushing nothing. It's just smart is all itis, the way games are moving isn't moving upwards or downwards, just in a the same place its always been to be quite frank. Microsoft fails at titles because they aren't a creative company. Microsoft is only at their best when they find a proven project and invest in it. Microsoft could leave the gaming industry and still publish games and profit off of those. They did it before they even came into the race. I could care less whether they stay or go to tell the truth, outside of Halo and Gears they are irrelevant to the cause of gaming. Don't take this to heart, this is just my opinion. Outside of functional online and Halo Microsoft has brought aggressive marketing the likes Sony and Nintendo have never dealt with. If they are to learn a lesson from them it is that. I've invested enough in Microsoft for two generations and their best games imho dont come from them.

This is the point where you are wrong.

Look at the franchises MS keeps investing in.

  • Halo: sold millions, fans love it, game innovates with every sequel, every major Halo is rated higher than 90 on meta
  • Gears of War: sold millions, fans love it, every game is 90+ on meta.
  • Forza: sold millions, unmatched quality in this genre, every game is 90+ on meta.

Sony was not able to build a franchise as successful as these in the past 10 years. People like you go all out and praise Sony for delivering new IPs, but that is just because their new IPs flop. Do you think we will ever see a major Twisted Metal game again? Will there be a Starhawk 2? Resistance is officialy dead already. MAG 2 won't happen either. Modnation Racers looks unlikely to me.

The only game that COULD be mentioned is LBP from the PS3 generation, but this franchise is in sharp decline from LBP to LBP 2 and doing a Karting game and Media Molecule working on a new IP does not show me Sony will heavily invest in this franchise in the future.

From the PS2 generation there is God of War, a game that absolutely fits in the category of the MS games and guess what - Sony does the same as MS.


You never proved me wrong.

1. Gears is third party. As I said before third party "exclusives" always in mass overshadowed the bulk of Microsofts first party because it was always weak. 

2. I never denied Halo, Project Gotham, Fable or Forza, but they stand on their own and they were the only surviving franchises to next gen where the list dwindled further. Microsoft left the Project Gotham team to rot with Activision. Hopefully Microsoft does the merciful thing and just lets Fable die after Molyneux and his team go onto other ventures.

3. Of course Sony has always had a more successful franchise than Project Gotham and Forza combined. It's called Grand Turismo.

Sony is always pushing fresh new IP's which may not be marketed properly but are quickly becoming the face of their platform. I don't care if they dont have as much acclaim as a handful of titles. A gamer should take pride in enjoying various experiences and overcoming them. Case closed.
  1. Gears is 2nd party, published by MS. Epic called themselves even first party before.
  2. Ehm you denied Fable in your previous post. You called it a letdown 50 Minutes ago!
  3. Gran Turismo is not a franchise fom the past 10 years, isn't it?

Nice try though.

These new IPs did not sell well due to bad marketing, they sold bad, because they did not appeal to a lot of people and PS3 gamers did not want to spend $50 on it, because these games were not worth it according to them. Otherwise they would have bought them.

"A gamer should take pride in blabla" Is this now a religion and you are the leader telling me, a gamer, how I should behave? I am a gamer for the better part of my life and I would go nuts if MS stopped investing in Halo, Gears or Fable and only focus on new IPs that will be killed 1-2 years later.

1. Gears is wholly owned by Epic. Its third party. Microsoft just publishes exclusivity and the first game wasn't only on the Xbox 360 but the PC. Microsoft signed an exclusivity contract with them.

2. Fable was promised to be a groundbreaking franchise. It failed time after time. Good idea, sold purely on lies.

3. Project Gotham and Forza were created with the purpose of taking out Gran Turismo.

Perhaps I was a bit blunt when I stated pride in liking variety. Thats not Microsofts deal. Gears is as good as dead after this gen is over, they've milked the franchise. The core Fable minds (including Molyneux) left Lionhead Studios, so all you can do is pray. As for  Halo....it's truthfully all Microsoft has. If I were you putting faith in Microsoft I would hope they come out with successful new IP's, because they don't act like a gaming company at all.

So is the Uncharted series also dead after this generation is over?



ZaneWane on 03 July 2012
DirtyP2002 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
You are both forgetting Uncharted.


No, not every games was 90+ on meta, which was my point couple of posts ago. Somehow Fable was brought up (not by me though). But I agree, Uncharted is the only really big franchise Sony created of the past 7 years.

And here again, just like with God of War, Sony does the same as MS. Investing in it, release sequels for it (4 games in 5 years). And this is not a bad thing at all, if consumers want it and buy it. Every company would LOVE to have these franchises like Halo, Gears, Fable, Forza. But when MS keeps investing in it, it is bad.

Sony tries to create franchises as succhessful as these and did not really get there yet, so new IPs will be killed shortly after (MAG, Resistance, Starhawk, Twisted Metal etc). The two franchises that got there God of War and Uncharted are handled by Sony the same way MS handles their games. This is the only point I tried to make.

well said



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ZaneWane on 03 July 2012
Legend11 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DirtyP2002 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DirtyP2002 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Core games or not they still sucked. They aren't investing in core games the way they should be.

Certainly making a better effort then Nintendo. 

But XBLA seems to be where they are taking risks with new content. Spelunky is a MS published game, coming out next week,  getting great reviews. 


Microsoft has proven that they've tried with high risk titles and failed too many times, which is why they always take the cheap route with XBLA. High reward for low risk. They only care to invest in proven franchises which literally are less than a handful. They aren't good at making exclusives and two generations is proof of that enough for the blind. Nintendo doesn't make enough core titles but when they pump out a Metroid, Zelda, Mario or any of their stable it tends to be a hit. My only worry for them is making a new IP. 

High reward with low risk.........literally the dream spot for any company to aspire to, in this case creating great experiences at a fraction of the cost at a fraction of the price for us gamers. Its metacritic score also carries as much weight as a big budget game because fun is fun and quality is quality no matter the polygon count. And your making it sound like a bad thing......

I also see nothing wrong with investing in proven franchises that gamers want. Seems they know their boundaries. Big budgets go to franchises the fans want and care about. New ideas, fresh gameplay, and variety now lies in XBLA. Beats investing tens of millions into a game thats literally hit or miss. 


It is not a dream spot. To have to lower the quality of games just to make a profit is pushing nothing. It's just smart is all itis, the way games are moving isn't moving upwards or downwards, just in a the same place its always been to be quite frank. Microsoft fails at titles because they aren't a creative company. Microsoft is only at their best when they find a proven project and invest in it. Microsoft could leave the gaming industry and still publish games and profit off of those. They did it before they even came into the race. I could care less whether they stay or go to tell the truth, outside of Halo and Gears they are irrelevant to the cause of gaming. Don't take this to heart, this is just my opinion. Outside of functional online and Halo Microsoft has brought aggressive marketing the likes Sony and Nintendo have never dealt with. If they are to learn a lesson from them it is that. I've invested enough in Microsoft for two generations and their best games imho dont come from them.

This is the point where you are wrong.

Look at the franchises MS keeps investing in.

  • Halo: sold millions, fans love it, game innovates with every sequel, every major Halo is rated higher than 90 on meta
  • Gears of War: sold millions, fans love it, every game is 90+ on meta.
  • Forza: sold millions, unmatched quality in this genre, every game is 90+ on meta.

Sony was not able to build a franchise as successful as these in the past 10 years. People like you go all out and praise Sony for delivering new IPs, but that is just because their new IPs flop. Do you think we will ever see a major Twisted Metal game again? Will there be a Starhawk 2? Resistance is officialy dead already. MAG 2 won't happen either. Modnation Racers looks unlikely to me.

The only game that COULD be mentioned is LBP from the PS3 generation, but this franchise is in sharp decline from LBP to LBP 2 and doing a Karting game and Media Molecule working on a new IP does not show me Sony will heavily invest in this franchise in the future.

From the PS2 generation there is God of War, a game that absolutely fits in the category of the MS games and guess what - Sony does the same as MS.


You never proved me wrong.

1. Gears is third party. As I said before third party "exclusives" always in mass overshadowed the bulk of Microsofts first party because it was always weak. 

2. I never denied Halo, Project Gotham, Fable or Forza, but they stand on their own and they were the only surviving franchises to next gen where the list dwindled further. Microsoft left the Project Gotham team to rot with Activision. Hopefully Microsoft does the merciful thing and just lets Fable die after Molyneux and his team go onto other ventures.

3. Of course Sony has always had a more successful franchise than Project Gotham and Forza combined. It's called Grand Turismo.

Sony is always pushing fresh new IP's which may not be marketed properly but are quickly becoming the face of their platform. I don't care if they dont have as much acclaim as a handful of titles. A gamer should take pride in enjoying various experiences and overcoming them. Case closed.
  1. Gears is 2nd party, published by MS. Epic called themselves even first party before.
  2. Ehm you denied Fable in your previous post. You called it a letdown 50 Minutes ago!
  3. Gran Turismo is not a franchise fom the past 10 years, isn't it?

Nice try though.

These new IPs did not sell well due to bad marketing, they sold bad, because they did not appeal to a lot of people and PS3 gamers did not want to spend $50 on it, because these games were not worth it according to them. Otherwise they would have bought them.

"A gamer should take pride in blabla" Is this now a religion and you are the leader telling me, a gamer, how I should behave? I am a gamer for the better part of my life and I would go nuts if MS stopped investing in Halo, Gears or Fable and only focus on new IPs that will be killed 1-2 years later.

1. Gears is wholly owned by Epic. Its third party. Microsoft just publishes exclusivity and the first game wasn't only on the Xbox 360 but the PC. Microsoft signed an exclusivity contract with them.

2. Fable was promised to be a groundbreaking franchise. It failed time after time. Good idea, sold purely on lies.

3. Project Gotham and Forza were created with the purpose of taking out Gran Turismo.

Perhaps I was a bit blunt when I stated pride in liking variety. Thats not Microsofts deal. Gears is as good as dead after this gen is over, they've milked the franchise. The core Fable minds (including Molyneux) left Lionhead Studios, so all you can do is pray. As for  Halo....it's truthfully all Microsoft has. If I were you putting faith in Microsoft I would hope they come out with successful new IP's, because they don't act like a gaming company at all.

So is the Uncharted series also dead after this generation is over?

guess that means uncharted is also milked since four were released this gen



YukanaSenix on 03 July 2012

Sony is trying a lot more different stuff.
They aren't just making bald space marine adventures #2323

Its also a lot harder to achieve 10 Millions for a new IP if you have 15 per year of them + your regular exclusives(i overstate now)
You have worldwide at least 30 exclusives every year while Microsoft has like 3 - There are tons of people on the PS3 who just buy stuff from their favorite Genres.
Some buy things like Heavy Rain and Twisted Metal and play that for the whole year.
Some will buy Uncharted and Littlebigplanet and so on.
Not every one of the 65 Million PS3 Users is buying 30 Exclusives every year.Not even I do cause i don't have the money.
But what are Microsoft people doing?
Ok there is the yearly Gears,Halo and Call of Duty Mappack coming > Save money for that and everyone is buying that.

Just look at Forza - Forza 4 didn't even sell half of Forza 3 and was a complete failure despite the quality.
GT5 sold over 10 Million Units combined with the Prologue sales.

Alan Wake > No one cared for that on the 360.Sales were going up when Microsoft sold Alan Wake at Amazon and so on for 10$ 1 month after release.
And no Alan Wake is coming to PC anyway too.

You are right Sony made a lot of new IPs that didn't do so well but they weren't expecting them to sell 10 Million units.
Hell they pumped 60 Million into Heavy Rain and sold like 2,5 Million and were happy cause that was enough for a new game aka Beyond aka a new IP.
Uncharted never sold big numbers either but Naughty Dog has now 2 Teams while one is building up a new unique IP again.Except one low quality download title we didn't have anything like The Last of Us in this Gen.
It won't sell 10 Millions either but it will probably the most beautiful game in this Gen and show how much the PS3 is still capable to push.

And selling with Gears of War is like selling with Call of Duty or Battlefield.
Everyone could do it - Those games are made for the USA and they like that stuff.

Now try that with a game with an actual good story and deep characters WITHOUT tons of litres of blood and bald space marines.
Sony has only ONE Franchise that is aimed at that direction and that is God of War and even that Franchise has a better Story than Gears of War(Mariaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa).
Even Killzone 3 had an awesome story - But of course.There are people who think Twilight has an awesome story so probably some think Gears of War has one too.
But look what happens if games aren't about bald space marines and killing stuff as brutal as possible on the 360?Alan Wake and Forza 4 have poor sales.Both would have sold at least TWICE on the PS3,especially Forza 4.

Fact is big Numbers come if you aim at the taste of the community.
The Sony Community has a much wider variety in taste of games - There are MANY people who like this and that and Sony is trying to make everything for everyone.Especially cause they hope some bored people from other consoles look what they have got.And then their are of course the people who want to play every genre.
The Microsoft Community is nearly full of War Hungry People(mostly underage XboxLive Heroes) and Microsoft is directly aiming at them.You can see high quality exclusives from other genres don't interest them as much as a gore shooter with not story does.
And this is pretty much a fact - Microsoft has it much easier to make their community happy.They love to play every year the same game over and over again.



Lafiel on 03 July 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:

1. Gears is wholly owned by Epic. Its third party. Microsoft just publishes exclusivity and the first game wasn't only on the Xbox 360 but the PC. Microsoft signed an exclusivity contract with them.

2. Fable was promised to be a groundbreaking franchise. It failed time after time. Good idea, sold purely on lies.

3. Project Gotham and Forza were created with the purpose of taking out Gran Turismo.

Perhaps I was a bit blunt when I stated pride in liking variety. Thats not Microsofts deal. Gears is as good as dead after this gen is over, they've milked the franchise. The core Fable minds (including Molyneux) left Lionhead Studios, so all you can do is pray. As for  Halo....it's truthfully all Microsoft has. If I were you putting faith in Microsoft I would hope they come out with successful new IP's, because they don't act like a gaming company at all.

God, you have a talent to make Sony fans look bad.

I like the variety in Sonys line-up aswell, which is why the PS3 is my only console, but people who invested in (and stayed with) a 360 have their reasons aswell. And probably it's mainly, that they liked MS's offerings, even if they were not enough for you.



TeddostheFireKing on 03 July 2012
smroadkill15 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
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It's easy to name franchises that didn't take off, I could do the same thing for both Nintendo and Sony, so that's a pointless agruement. I agree with Too Human and NNN, but I would disagree with Fable franchise. Not only is it one the best selling wrpg's franchises it's pretty well received critic wise.

You are very critical when it comes to MS first party, but you have to remember both Sony and Nintendo have been in the console game longer than MS, so they both have had more time to build up a stable of first party franchises and developers. Now, looking back at the PS2, wasn't it hugely successful mainly because of the 3rd party support it had, even more so than it's first party? I just don't get why your so critical on MS relying on 3rd party when Sony did that exact same thing last gen.

How many franchises did Sony bring back this gen from last gen and before? God of War, GT, Rachet&Clank, Sly, and Twisted Metal? MS brought back Halo, Forza, PGR, Fable, and a couple of old Rare titles? Sony is just as guilty as MS for just bringing back a handful of their most successful titles from gen's before and leaving behind titles that didn't take off.


This is a very interesting question because they way you phrase it, you can mean onto the PSP as well, the number of franchises increases quite a bit. Although I'll presume you mean just the PS3, in which you've pretty much got them all except Killzone, Hot Shots Golf and Warhawk (which was a remake of their PS1 game). (I didn't include casual games like Singstar and Buzz)

I'd also like to point out although Twisted Metal isn't doing great, there is a bit of undertracking on the title thanks to Neogaf and it'll surely crawl to a million.


To be fair to Microsoft, there was less Kinect than the two previous E3's, but their conference still disappointed, they had Halo 4 and Gears of War Judgement to show and didn't show enough of them for me :(



DirtyP2002 on 03 July 2012
YukanaSenix said:

Sony is trying a lot more different stuff.
They aren't just making bald space marine adventures #2323

Its also a lot harder to achieve 10 Millions for a new IP if you have 15 per year of them + your regular exclusives(i overstate now)
You have worldwide at least 30 exclusives every year while Microsoft has like 3 - There are tons of people on the PS3 who just buy stuff from their favorite Genres.
Some buy things like Heavy Rain and Twisted Metal and play that for the whole year.
Some will buy Uncharted and Littlebigplanet and so on.
Not every one of the 65 Million PS3 Users is buying 30 Exclusives every year.Not even I do cause i don't have the money.
But what are Microsoft people doing?
Ok there is the yearly Gears,Halo and Call of Duty Mappack coming > Save money for that and everyone is buying that.

Just look at Forza - Forza 4 didn't even sell half of Forza 3 and was a complete failure despite the quality.
GT5 sold over 10 Million Units combined with the Prologue sales.

Alan Wake > No one cared for that on the 360.Sales were going up when Microsoft sold Alan Wake at Amazon and so on for 10$ 1 month after release.
And no Alan Wake is coming to PC anyway too.

You are right Sony made a lot of new IPs that didn't do so well but they weren't expecting them to sell 10 Million units.
Hell they pumped 60 Million into Heavy Rain and sold like 2,5 Million and were happy cause that was enough for a new game aka Beyond aka a new IP.
Uncharted never sold big numbers either but Naughty Dog has now 2 Teams while one is building up a new unique IP again.Except one low quality download title we didn't have anything like The Last of Us in this Gen.
It won't sell 10 Millions either but it will probably the most beautiful game in this Gen and show how much the PS3 is still capable to push.

And selling with Gears of War is like selling with Call of Duty or Battlefield.
Everyone could do it - Those games are made for the USA and they like that stuff.

Now try that with a game with an actual good story and deep characters WITHOUT tons of litres of blood and bald space marines.
Sony has only ONE Franchise that is aimed at that direction and that is God of War and even that Franchise has a better Story than Gears of War(Mariaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa).
Even Killzone 3 had an awesome story - But of course.There are people who think Twilight has an awesome story so probably some think Gears of War has one too.
But look what happens if games aren't about bald space marines and killing stuff as brutal as possible on the 360?Alan Wake and Forza 4 have poor sales.Both would have sold at least TWICE on the PS3,especially Forza 4.

Fact is big Numbers come if you aim at the taste of the community.
The Sony Community has a much wider variety in taste of games - There are MANY people who like this and that and Sony is trying to make everything for everyone.Especially cause they hope some bored people from other consoles look what they have got.And then their are of course the people who want to play every genre.
The Microsoft Community is nearly full of War Hungry People(mostly underage XboxLive Heroes) and Microsoft is directly aiming at them.You can see high quality exclusives from other genres don't interest them as much as a gore shooter with not story does.
And this is pretty much a fact - Microsoft has it much easier to make their community happy.They love to play every year the same game over and over again.


tl:dr.

But keep in mind that the Xbox 360 has more games than the PS3. So your whole argument collapsed. Do not believe everything you read on N4G comments.
People forget that Kinect and XBLA actually make a huge difference in the real world. People on forums only count retail only releases, aimed at the core, priced $60 and are not motion based.

Games like Minecraft sell more than 2 million on the 360 alone so people in the real world actually cared about it. Kinect Sports selling 4 million, Dance Central sold 3 million. And yes games available on PC and a console matter as well with L4D selling 4 million in the 360. You can't ignore these titles when millions of people play them and spend their money for those games.



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...