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mantlepiecek said:

I am making a lot of sense. It's just that you are ignoring it.

Mario, why did you suspect Conj in the beginning of the game and then suddenly say that both Conj guy and pezus are obvtown so prof must surely be scum?

Honestly, you haven't made much sense at all this game. Radish says he tracks someone to a kill and then you shift the attention elsewhere by voting for me. Then when you see that no one is going to go along with that you change your vote to Radish. It isn't blatantly defending mafia, but it is pretty close to it. Sure, fellow mafia members would never do that, right? However, it would be a great move because no one would expect a fellow scum mate to do something like that. Then you and Prof plan some sort of "cop claim" but don't actually go through with it because of the back lash it would have caused. You accepted him way too fast for my liking. I asked him who he scanned, but you assumed he scanned you right away for some reason. Yes, he said you were obvious town, but that doesn't mean you were investigated. Then you bring up me being optimistic and Jo being neutral, which I don't understand at all. With the way you have played this game there is no way you are town, I am sure of it.

As the discussion went on I became less suspicious of Jo and more suspicious of Prof and you. I never said the were obvious town, but I am heavily leaning towards town for them. Unlike you and Prof, they are making sense and I agree with most of what they say.




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supermario128 said:
mantlepiecek said:

I am making a lot of sense. It's just that you are ignoring it.

Mario, why did you suspect Conj in the beginning of the game and then suddenly say that both Conj guy and pezus are obvtown so prof must surely be scum?

Honestly, you haven't made much sense at all this game. Radish says he tracks someone to a kill and then you shift the attention elsewhere by voting for me. Then when you see that no one is going to go along with that you change your vote to Radish. It isn't blatantly defending mafia, but it is pretty close to it. Sure, fellow mafia members would never do that, right? However, it would be a great move because no one would expect a fellow scum mate to do something like that. Then you and Prof plan some sort of "cop claim" but don't actually go through with it because of the back lash it would have caused. You accepted him way too fast for my liking. I asked him who he scanned, but you assumed he scanned you right away for some reason. Yes, he said you were obvious town, but that doesn't mean you were investigated. Then you bring up me being optimistic and Jo being neutral, which I don't understand at all. With the way you have played this game there is no way you are town, I am sure of it.

As the discussion went on I became less suspicious of Jo and more suspicious of Prof and you. I never said the were obvious town, but I am heavily leaning towards town for them. Unlike you and Prof, they are making sense and I agree with most of what they say.

I said you were opportunistic, not optimistic. Because most of what you've written is BS. All mainpulated facts.

 

For instance, I asked you why you thought prof was obvious scum. Your answer : "huh, because everyone else felt town!"

I ask why everybody else felt town, your answer : "huh, because you and prof feel scum!"

 

What utter BS. No, if after this much you haven't been lynched I will be laughing at this game forever. At the beginning of the day I was sure we would lose, prof coming out like that brought some hope but I don't see it now.



mantlepiecek said:

For instance, I asked you why you thought prof was obvious scum. Your answer : "huh, because everyone else felt town!"

I ask why everybody else felt town, your answer : "huh, because you and prof feel scum!"

Yup, it really is that simple. You are asking me to prove something when I can't. I gave you my reasons as to why, but you never accepted any of them.




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mantlepiecek said:
c03n3nj0 said:
mantlepiecek said:
pezus said:
mantlepiecek said:

Defense of a fellow townie is not something that can be considered scummy. I can guarantee you that tonight prof will be dead, you can see for yourself. The scum isn't going to go into day 6 with him alive even if he can go wrong simply because he has an amazing reputation for not getting lynched.

This is why if you think prof is scum, go for his scummate. Do not go for him. The night itself will prove whether he is scum or not. In case he is alive then either me or one other person will die among Conj and you, and that will clear you as well, after lynching mario we can see the alignment and roles as well.

No, the scum won't kill prof because that will make him an easy lynch the next day. And you just set that up here.

Are you serious? Prof will be dead today, I swear. I know it. You think they are going to risk him, unless he is super dumb scum who defended a town he is going to be dead.

A super dumb scum defending a townie isn't a super dumb scum at all. That scum is playing buddy with a townie to gain that townie's trust, not to mention gaining the town's trust by defending a townie. It happens damn near all the time in mafia. 

Why are you so assured of this? It's extremely arguable, even faulty, logic. (Not even mentioning the already silly logic of prof being killed even with all the suspicion around him).

I'm going ahead and repeating what prof argued to you:  "A mafia follows through with illogical thought processes."

During LYLO? OH man. Talk about illogical thought process.

Don't give me a lecture on what is logical and illogical. My logic works much better than you think. A scum will almost never befriend a town during LYLO, especially if the town himself is the most suspicious of the bunch. I am liking though, how you and mario both are trying their best to change my mind on this particular topic.

It's not gonna happen. First I was supposed to ask questions to prof when he got an innocent reading (mario) now I am supposed to be suspicious of prof because he defended a townie during LYLO.

And prof can say what he wants. I didn't get that from his post but whatever.


Whoa, when did I ever say you were supposed to be suspicious of prof?  Think what you want. 

@ bolded, nah. Look at you: pezuz said you were obvtown (well, not anymore) and you jumped on it. You still maintain that it is impossible for prof to be scum. Mafias budidng up with town during LYLO is perfect for brownie points (brownie points are perfect for not being lynched)

@ Italics, considering your status of "suspicious" I'll give that to you. It is stupid for scum to defend a suspicious townie during LYLO, considerig that he'd just rather have the townie lynched and win. 

These examples are basically mute since I believe you are mafia yourself. 

I still have yet to be sure what I think of prof, in light of his immediate suspicion of you. 

My main point, which was not changing your mind at all, is that your logic is pretty damning. You're waving the "He claimed I was town, and he's right, so he must be town too!" Card a whole lot. It's silly logic in my eyes, and Mafia stick to their silly logic 'till the end. 

Notice how Wiibox stuck with townie claim even with the overwhelmign evidence disproving it. 

Think back on how you decided to stick with your position on Wiibox, even though it's beyond obvious that he's mafia. Afterwards, you just said "Nah, I wasn't defending Wiibox, just that Radish/Mario are suspicious." You stuck with your faulty logic there, and went with the route that you wouldn't know better because you're a "townie."



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supermario128 said:
mantlepiecek said:

For instance, I asked you why you thought prof was obvious scum. Your answer : "huh, because everyone else felt town!"

I ask why everybody else felt town, your answer : "huh, because you and prof feel scum!"

Yup, it really is that simple. You are asking me to prove something when I can't. I gave you my reasons as to why, but you never accepted any of them.

First of all, when I asked why prof feels scum, your answer was everybody else felt town.

Now I ask you why you specifically think Jo is town, you say you became less suspicious of Jo and became more suspicious of prof! Amazing logic.

This circular logic may evade other people's eyes, but not mine mario.



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c03n3nj0 said:

This isn't really helping your view on me, but:

I never defended Wiibox. All I did was not vote for him immediately, reasoning that there was no rush to lynch him. I did convince myself to vote for him with my own posts, but it was more along the lines of  "Why the hell do I want to postpone this any longer? He's clearly scum." 

It's not as 180 as you make it out to be, honestly. 

Hmm that's true, I must have misread it during those days at the show.

I guess you're my number one suspect then :D



c03n3nj0 said:
mantlepiecek said:
c03n3nj0 said:

A super dumb scum defending a townie isn't a super dumb scum at all. That scum is playing buddy with a townie to gain that townie's trust, not to mention gaining the town's trust by defending a townie. It happens damn near all the time in mafia. 

Why are you so assured of this? It's extremely arguable, even faulty, logic. (Not even mentioning the already silly logic of prof being killed even with all the suspicion around him).

I'm going ahead and repeating what prof argued to you:  "A mafia follows through with illogical thought processes."

During LYLO? OH man. Talk about illogical thought process.

Don't give me a lecture on what is logical and illogical. My logic works much better than you think. A scum will almost never befriend a town during LYLO, especially if the town himself is the most suspicious of the bunch. I am liking though, how you and mario both are trying their best to change my mind on this particular topic.

It's not gonna happen. First I was supposed to ask questions to prof when he got an innocent reading (mario) now I am supposed to be suspicious of prof because he defended a townie during LYLO.

And prof can say what he wants. I didn't get that from his post but whatever.


Whoa, when did I ever say you were supposed to be suspicious of prof?  Think what you want. 

@ bolded, nah. Look at you: pezuz said you were obvtown (well, not anymore) and you jumped on it. You still maintain that it is impossible for prof to be scum. Mafias budidng up with town during LYLO is perfect for brownie points (brownie points are perfect for not being lynched)

@ Italics, considering your status of "suspicious" I'll give that to you. It is stupid for scum to defend a suspicious townie during LYLO, considerig that he'd just rather have the townie lynched and win. 

These examples are basically mute since I believe you are mafia yourself. 

I still have yet to be sure what I think of prof, in light of his immediate suspicion of you. 

My main point, which was not changing your mind at all, is that your logic is pretty damning. You're waving the "He claimed I was town, and he's right, so he must be town too!" Card a whole lot. It's silly logic in my eyes, and Mafia stick to their silly logic 'till the end. 

Notice how Wiibox stuck with townie claim even with the overwhelmign evidence disproving it. 

Think back on how you decided to stick with your position on Wiibox, even though it's beyond obvious that he's mafia. Afterwards, you just said "Nah, I wasn't defending Wiibox, just that Radish/Mario are suspicious." You stuck with your faulty logic there, and went with the route that you wouldn't know better because you're a "townie."

Pezus never said I was obvtown. What a ridiculous post.

Also comparing my logic to wiibox holding his townie claim? lol no, really, simply LOL at that.

Like I said, of course you believe I am mafia. You and mario are mafia yourself.

And if it was beyond obvious that wiibox was mafia why did you think so much before voting for him? You said you convinced yourself to vote for him, that means you were doubtful before? What happened then?

It wasn't just beyond obvious. But I like how you and mario again are bringing this up again to create more suspicion on me. It shows you don't have much else.

I already know that this is nothing targeted at me and everything targeted at pezus. To manipulate his thinking. He is the agent of victory for town and scum both, the way I see it.



I want to dissect these suspicion circles going on. 

Mantle: Mario and j0 are mafia. 

theprof: Mario and Mantle are mafia. 

Mario: Mantle and prof are mafia. 

j0: Mantle and prof/mario (next day)

pezuz: Seems fairly undecided. Leaning towards Mantle as his first lynch. (correct me if I'm wrong) 


It's kinda funny how no one wants to lynch pezuz as of now. If you're mafia pezuz... *sigh* (didn't I say I would hate you forever? Because if you're mafia this whole day is just hilariously going against the town the way it is right now, with all townies and only your scumbuddy suspicious of each other). 

Anyways, theprof and Mario did an interesting switch-aroo. All their differences are that they are suspicious of each other now, and have mantle there as the other scum. 

Mantle is clearly the constant. So this means either A) unlucky as fuck if townie and B)his mafia buddy is attempting to throw him under the bus. 

B) is interesting, because why would his mafia buddy just not want a mislynch instead? This is why prof's 180 on mantle is really interesting. He pitched Mario as first in the lynch order, meaning that if Mario is townie then mafia won. It's the safest way of throwing his scumbuddy under the bus without actually risking himself for the next day. If Mario is the one doing the under-the-bus-throwing, then he would just rely on his role-claim to go through the next day, so he isn't worrying much about extending the game by one day. 


option A) means that the mafia combination lies with Mario/prof/pezuz. Interestingly enough mantle refuses to acknowledge prof as mafia. He refuses to acknowledge pezuz as possible mafia as well. The thing is, though, is I know for a fact that I'm town. So mantle's legitimacy of being suspect of mafia (if town) stops at Mario. 

What my conclusion from this lines up with what I was thinking (feel free to add any ideas, though):

We lynch mantle today, and go from there tomorrow. it is either Mario and Pezuz, i feel like. Neither of them will die tomorrow, because the remaining mafia is not a dunce. 

It is either I or pezuz who will die tonight. Mario, prof, and j0/pezuz with remain for the last day fighting over who's more suspicious. It's not a happy ending, really, but at least one mafia will be dead. 



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Basically, everyone thinks Mantle is mafia except for Mantle himself.




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mantlepiecek said:
c03n3nj0 said:
mantlepiecek said:
c03n3nj0 said:

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Whoa, when did I ever say you were supposed to be suspicious of prof?  Think what you want. 

@ bolded, nah. Look at you: pezuz said you were obvtown (well, not anymore) and you jumped on it. You still maintain that it is impossible for prof to be scum. Mafias budidng up with town during LYLO is perfect for brownie points (brownie points are perfect for not being lynched)

@ Italics, considering your status of "suspicious" I'll give that to you. It is stupid for scum to defend a suspicious townie during LYLO, considerig that he'd just rather have the townie lynched and win. 

These examples are basically mute since I believe you are mafia yourself. 

I still have yet to be sure what I think of prof, in light of his immediate suspicion of you. 

My main point, which was not changing your mind at all, is that your logic is pretty damning. You're waving the "He claimed I was town, and he's right, so he must be town too!" Card a whole lot. It's silly logic in my eyes, and Mafia stick to their silly logic 'till the end. 

Notice how Wiibox stuck with townie claim even with the overwhelmign evidence disproving it. 

Think back on how you decided to stick with your position on Wiibox, even though it's beyond obvious that he's mafia. Afterwards, you just said "Nah, I wasn't defending Wiibox, just that Radish/Mario are suspicious." You stuck with your faulty logic there, and went with the route that you wouldn't know better because you're a "townie."

Pezus never said I was obvtown. What a ridiculous post.

Also comparing my logic to wiibox holding his townie claim? lol no, really, simply LOL at that.

Like I said, of course you believe I am mafia. You and mario are mafia yourself.

And if it was beyond obvious that wiibox was mafia why did you think so much before voting for him? You said you convinced yourself to vote for him, that means you were doubtful before? What happened then?

It wasn't just beyond obvious. But I like how you and mario again are bringing this up again to create more suspicion on me. It shows you don't have much else.

I already know that this is nothing targeted at me and everything targeted at pezus. To manipulate his thinking. He is the agent of victory for town and scum both, the way I see it.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4679150 -- I accidentally said pezuz instead of prof. 

At your second bold, way to ignore what I explained before. Also, when I said "beyong obvious" I meant when he came up scum the next day. You stuck with whatever BS you were saying the day before. The whole Radish/mario suspicious, so blah blah blah I couldn't have known wiibox was mafia. 

The pezuz bit is actually true. But it is targeted at you. I'm bringing up everything suspicious agianst you, so you can attempt to defend yourself. Part of finding out you are scum is how you react, you know. So far it's been angry backlashes against your accusers. I love how you keep trying to group Mario and I. It's the last hope you've got so you're clinging to it.

At this point, if I were you and you were a townie, I'd focus on defending myself, instead of accusing my aggressors more. What if j0 was also town and just wrong? But no, you are mafia and your only hope is that you will fling enough dirt my way to seem town in comparison. 



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