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mantlepiecek on 16 July 2012
supermario128 said:
mantlepiecek said:

This is why if you think prof is scum, go for his scummate. Do not go for him. The night itself will prove whether he is scum or not. In case he is alive then either me or one other person will die among Conj and you, and that will clear you as well, after lynching mario we can see the alignment and roles as well.

If you think Prof is scum go after someone else? You just are not making any sense. The night will prove if he is scum or not? Isn't that what I have been saying. We have had plenty of nights, yet Prof is still alive and kickin'. After lynching me we can see alignment of roles? That is true, because if you lynch me then we will lose. Well, I shouldn't say we since I know you are not town. You desperately want a mis-lynch, but I won't allow it.

So, do we lynch Prof or Mantle first?

I am making a lot of sense. It's just that you are ignoring it.

Mario, why did you suspect Conj in the beginning of the game and then suddenly say that both Conj guy and pezus are obvtown so prof must surely be scum?



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mantlepiecek on 16 July 2012
theprof00 said:
pezus said:
theprof00 said:
Mario is the best choice, and if it's right, mantle is next.

Wait a minute...you said he was very townie before. What changed? Why don't we go for mantle first then?

Because of mario's question. It gives me a "I'll leave the mislynch up to town" vibe from him. And my name is first on the list (primacy effect; see psychology), and it feels like he wants to lynch me first. I know I'm town, so it would mean that mantle is his partner.

I've seen this tactic before. It's an "I'm not going to help you lynch a scum, but I'll make it look like I was helping while subtly pushing for the mislynch". I've seen it several times in vgc mafia. The "which one first" is a trigger. I'd say that I was perhaps wrong about mantle, IF I'm right about this. I told myself I wouldn't post my thoughts on here again, but I feel pretty strongly about this one.

I don't know what you are trying to imply though. I want mario lynched not you, it's not my fault pezus is suspicious of me just because he thinks I am playing like last round.



c03n3nj0 on 16 July 2012

Okay!

So this circle suspicion thing is kinda annoying, you guys. Especially from my perspective since I'm trying to decide who mafia is.

So, prof did an interesting 180 (That's actually a 180 , interestingly enough right after stating how mine made me look town) on Mantle.

Which brings up the possibility of mafia somewhat pushing his scum buddy under the bus.

A) Prof realizes mantle is the most suspicious out of the both of them
B) Prof is proposing lynching Mario first. Which is why I said "somewhat" pushing him under the bus. So... he adds the easier lynch in with Mario as bait for the idea.

What I'm saying is I'd rather lynch Mantle today.

I can't decide on who I believe is the next scum, god help me. This plan leaves room open for either Mario and prof being scum, and that will be easier to decide tomorrow.

If pezuz is scum I don't know what to do. I'm looking for the most assured scum lynch today because otherwise, game over. With pezuz being scum that means that there's a possibility of him matching up with all three, meaning that the Mantle lynch isn't an assured scum lynch anymore.

If it's a group of Prof and Mario than fuck you guys! Good game. GG... gg.



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c03n3nj0 on 16 July 2012
mantlepiecek said:
theprof00 said:
pezus said:
theprof00 said:
Mario is the best choice, and if it's right, mantle is next.

Wait a minute...you said he was very townie before. What changed? Why don't we go for mantle first then?

Because of mario's question. It gives me a "I'll leave the mislynch up to town" vibe from him. And my name is first on the list (primacy effect; see psychology), and it feels like he wants to lynch me first. I know I'm town, so it would mean that mantle is his partner.

I've seen this tactic before. It's an "I'm not going to help you lynch a scum, but I'll make it look like I was helping while subtly pushing for the mislynch". I've seen it several times in vgc mafia. The "which one first" is a trigger. I'd say that I was perhaps wrong about mantle, IF I'm right about this. I told myself I wouldn't post my thoughts on here again, but I feel pretty strongly about this one.

I don't know what you are trying to imply though. I want mario lynched not you, it's not my fault pezus is suspicious of me just because he thinks I am playing like last round.

Just to be clear. 

You claim that Mario and I are mafia, right? With Mario taking your top priority, I guess? 



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mantlepiecek on 16 July 2012
pezus said:
Mantle, you are sounding awfully similar to your last game. Really pushing everything here. Why so defensive of prof?

Lynch him, and then you may realize why I was so defensive of prof. Honestly, asking something like this on the day where any mislynch can cost you the game is just frustrating.

I am pushing because I know mario is scum. I know it. I have caught a lot of slips from him, today itself, you aren't even paying it any attention, instead you are going for me and prof, just like mario wants.

We are not even in the position where I can say lynch me and see if I am scum.

Comparing my play to my previous, is that more important than mario and his play of this game?

I was banking heavily on other townies today but it seems only one of them seems to be convinced. By tunnelling on me and prof you won't be scumhunting at all. Meanwhile I can't see anyone else being scum other than Mario and Conj.




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mantlepiecek on 16 July 2012
c03n3nj0 said:
mantlepiecek said:
theprof00 said:

Because of mario's question. It gives me a "I'll leave the mislynch up to town" vibe from him. And my name is first on the list (primacy effect; see psychology), and it feels like he wants to lynch me first. I know I'm town, so it would mean that mantle is his partner.

I've seen this tactic before. It's an "I'm not going to help you lynch a scum, but I'll make it look like I was helping while subtly pushing for the mislynch". I've seen it several times in vgc mafia. The "which one first" is a trigger. I'd say that I was perhaps wrong about mantle, IF I'm right about this. I told myself I wouldn't post my thoughts on here again, but I feel pretty strongly about this one.

I don't know what you are trying to imply though. I want mario lynched not you, it's not my fault pezus is suspicious of me just because he thinks I am playing like last round.

Just to be clear. 

You claim that Mario and I are mafia, right? With Mario taking your top priority, I guess? 

Yes. My answer shouldn't matter because your post was predictable.



c03n3nj0 on 16 July 2012
mantlepiecek said:
pezus said:
mantlepiecek said:

Defense of a fellow townie is not something that can be considered scummy. I can guarantee you that tonight prof will be dead, you can see for yourself. The scum isn't going to go into day 6 with him alive even if he can go wrong simply because he has an amazing reputation for not getting lynched.

This is why if you think prof is scum, go for his scummate. Do not go for him. The night itself will prove whether he is scum or not. In case he is alive then either me or one other person will die among Conj and you, and that will clear you as well, after lynching mario we can see the alignment and roles as well.

No, the scum won't kill prof because that will make him an easy lynch the next day. And you just set that up here.

Are you serious? Prof will be dead today, I swear. I know it. You think they are going to risk him, unless he is super dumb scum who defended a town he is going to be dead.

A super dumb scum defending a townie isn't a super dumb scum at all. That scum is playing buddy with a townie to gain that townie's trust, not to mention gaining the town's trust by defending a townie. It happens damn near all the time in mafia. 

Why are you so assured of this? It's extremely arguable, even faulty, logic. (Not even mentioning the already silly logic of prof being killed even with all the suspicion around him).

I'm going ahead and repeating what prof argued to you:  "A mafia follows through with illogical thought processes."



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c03n3nj0 on 16 July 2012
mantlepiecek said:
c03n3nj0 said:
mantlepiecek said:
theprof00 said:

Because of mario's question. It gives me a "I'll leave the mislynch up to town" vibe from him. And my name is first on the list (primacy effect; see psychology), and it feels like he wants to lynch me first. I know I'm town, so it would mean that mantle is his partner.

I've seen this tactic before. It's an "I'm not going to help you lynch a scum, but I'll make it look like I was helping while subtly pushing for the mislynch". I've seen it several times in vgc mafia. The "which one first" is a trigger. I'd say that I was perhaps wrong about mantle, IF I'm right about this. I told myself I wouldn't post my thoughts on here again, but I feel pretty strongly about this one.

I don't know what you are trying to imply though. I want mario lynched not you, it's not my fault pezus is suspicious of me just because he thinks I am playing like last round.

Just to be clear. 

You claim that Mario and I are mafia, right? With Mario taking your top priority, I guess? 

Yes. My answer shouldn't matter because your post was predictable.

Okay. 

What post? 



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mantlepiecek on 16 July 2012
c03n3nj0 said:
mantlepiecek said:
pezus said:
mantlepiecek said:

Defense of a fellow townie is not something that can be considered scummy. I can guarantee you that tonight prof will be dead, you can see for yourself. The scum isn't going to go into day 6 with him alive even if he can go wrong simply because he has an amazing reputation for not getting lynched.

This is why if you think prof is scum, go for his scummate. Do not go for him. The night itself will prove whether he is scum or not. In case he is alive then either me or one other person will die among Conj and you, and that will clear you as well, after lynching mario we can see the alignment and roles as well.

No, the scum won't kill prof because that will make him an easy lynch the next day. And you just set that up here.

Are you serious? Prof will be dead today, I swear. I know it. You think they are going to risk him, unless he is super dumb scum who defended a town he is going to be dead.

A super dumb scum defending a townie isn't a super dumb scum at all. That scum is playing buddy with a townie to gain that townie's trust, not to mention gaining the town's trust by defending a townie. It happens damn near all the time in mafia. 

Why are you so assured of this? It's extremely arguable, even faulty, logic. (Not even mentioning the already silly logic of prof being killed even with all the suspicion around him).

I'm going ahead and repeating what prof argued to you:  "A mafia follows through with illogical thought processes."

During LYLO? OH man. Talk about illogical thought process.

Don't give me a lecture on what is logical and illogical. My logic works much better than you think. A scum will almost never befriend a town during LYLO, especially if the town himself is the most suspicious of the bunch. I am liking though, how you and mario both are trying their best to change my mind on this particular topic.

It's not gonna happen. First I was supposed to ask questions to prof when he got an innocent reading (mario) now I am supposed to be suspicious of prof because he defended a townie during LYLO.

And prof can say what he wants. I didn't get that from his post but whatever.



mantlepiecek on 16 July 2012
c03n3nj0 said:
mantlepiecek said:

Yes. My answer shouldn't matter because your post was predictable.

Okay. 

What post? 


http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4681185

 

This one.