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mantlepiecek said:
c03n3nj0 said:

mantlepiecek said:
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Killing mario is very important otherwise we will never know other roles, but then mafia wants that exactly. So expect them to defend him or at least be not so much hostile towards him. At this stage though, I would rather not lynch him. Instead I will vote for the best guy I think :-

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vote : radishhead

Pezus also brought up a good point. Why will the scum team kill wonk instead of the watcher/tracker? I myself think that is pretty laughable. They go and kill wonk...is hiding names that much more important than saving your skin? No it is not.

 

This post is all over the place  in thought structure, which I'll excuse, but you just contradicted yourself badly. 

In the first bold you say that the mafia dont want us to know the roles of the dead, but then you say it is laughable that the mafia killed Wonk. Wonk is the one thing that lets us see the roles of players killed at night, so tell, why wouldn't the mafia want Wonk dead? He is equally as important as keeping Mario alive, in the sense that both his death and Mario's survival ensure that the town be kept in the dark. 

Also, in the second bold, are you implying that the mafia didn't kill Wonk? Why are you questioning something that happened? Do you know who actually killed Wonk? 

How did I contradict myself? The mafia don't want us to know the roles of the dead, but it IS laughable that they will prioritize it over their own lifes by keeping radish and linkz alive. Nothing contradictory there.

In my second bold I am implying that linkz and radish (either one of those or both) are lying.

1. It is perfectly possible for the mafia to want the town confused. A town deprived of information is one of the best things ever. Have you played a blind game before? It is very hard for the town to win those. 

2. All right, so we're establishing two scenarios here: 

1. The mafia wants Wonk dead to hide roles. The mafia roleblocker blocks linkz and they kill Wonk; Wiibox does the dirty deed. 

2. The mafia is actually Radish and Linkz, and they blame Wiibox for everything. 

Honestly scenario two is stretching it. One, Radish and linkz are TWO claimed power-roles. Spurge has been uncontested for a couple of days now, and linkz disproved spurge who was falsely claiming Watcher yesterday. Radish and Linkz must be fucking geniuses to have pre-planned all of this before hand. Or the luckiest mafiosi alive. 

If they did plan this and screw us over eventually, then I'll lose knowing I've been fairly bested. Even you can see that the best solution is lynching Wiibox3 now and disproving/proving Radish tomorrow. If Wiibox is telling the truth then Radish will be lynched without hesitation. 



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I just accidentally convinced myself to vote with the above post.

Vote - WiiBox3

We'll see how this goes.



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pezus said:
radishhead said:
They must have blocked a random player then, I guess - probably a vanilla considering how many of those we seem to have

Why would they not have blocked Wonk exactly? He claimed almost immediately


This is an interesting thought. 

Either they wanted to lay low for a couple days or linkz is lying. 

Also, there is the possiblity that with only one role the mafia thought it too risky to go after Wonk and get caught. 



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pezus said:
radishhead said:
They must have blocked a random player then, I guess - probably a vanilla considering how many of those we seem to have

Why would they not have blocked Wonk exactly? He claimed almost immediately


This is an interesting thought. 

Either they wanted to lay low for a couple days or linkz is lying. 

Also, there is the possiblity that with only one role the mafia thought it too risky to go after Wonk and get caught. 



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mantlepiecek said:
Linkzmax said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4668545 

"So I was thinking NotStan, Soleron,(Not really a newb, but hasn't played recently at least) and Wiibox. Now that I've read through the posts, NotStan has suggested a Soleron lynch. While it's not beyond mafia to throw a mate at the gallows to look good, I don't think he suggests that when there's still other viable mislynches. NotStan rings scummier of the two, but Soleron's inactivity makes that a weak feeling. Anyway, if I remove Soleron from the list, it brings in room for j0 or pezus."

You were saying?

Is that a reply to me?

Is this the lead you have? It's pretty weak. Then again against a townie you will only have weak leads, unless it's spurge I guess.

My goodness this is such a lulzy post. I'll get to the rest shortly, but this deals more with an earlier post. You said:

mantlepiecek said:
Linkz on the other hand starts of thinking of me as scum the moment I put doubts on him, interesting because he hasn't countered even one of my points, unlike mario. So what is it Linkz? What about my post do you find suspicious? You have a "lead" you say? Then say it.

If my suspicion of Soleron is "pretty weak" than your points against me aren't strong enough to hold up air. Maybe you can refresh me with points that you think are legitimate, but calling a quote of a PM thread fake? C'mon man that's hilarious.

Or that I'm really a watcher, but mafia. So I put on a great act to get spurge of all people lynched? No, if I'm going to orchestrate a one-for-one trade it's going to be someone more worthy than that.

Anyway, I quoted myself because you're trying to paint me as merely having counter-suspicion AFTER you said something, when the truth is I suspected the playerslot before you even replaced in.

And I already told you what I find suspicious of your posts. You're attacking the claimed powers. It's very fair to question claims, but not to the level you're taking it. Then with the lead, which is quite obviously radish claiming to have tracked WiiBox to the guy that died at night, you go off an vote Mario. Now that you realize that lynch isn't happening today, you think it's a better idea to lynch the claimed power over the claimed vanilla.

So what is it mantle? Are you repeating the mistakes of scum last round, only to find that town isn't going to roll over again. Or are you repeating the mistakes of town last round, except now you're the only one pushing to lynch the power over the one he claims is guilty.



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mantlepiecek said:

I also think mario may not be scum. His behaviour doesn't match a scum's.

The only thing that is saving linkz right now is his watcher claim. He was almost lynched, but he came back claiming watcher and then we mislynched spurge, obviously it wasn't linkz's fault if he IS the watcher.

This has been a pretty bad game for town, in which both the lynches were the result of townies playing scummy for no reason.

Killing mario is very important otherwise we will never know other roles, but then mafia wants that exactly. So expect them to defend him or at least be not so much hostile towards him. At this stage though, I would rather not lynch him. Instead I will vote for the best guy I think :-

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vote : radishhead

Pezus also brought up a good point. Why will the scum team kill wonk instead of the watcher/tracker? I myself think that is pretty laughable. They go and kill wonk...is hiding names that much more important than saving your skin? No it is not.

Linkz claims watcher and then gets blocked, radish claims tracker no action on him at all....he watches FF thinking he is a watcher when FF gets killed....and then says he tracked him.

Also there IS only one explanation for radish seeing wiibox whereas linkz doesn't. It is that linkz got blocked. But then why didn't wonk get blocked on night 1? Surely they didn't get scared of the watcher who hadn't claimed back then?

So Mr. Expert, what is a scum's behavior?

The only thing that had me in any kind of hot seat was a stupid lie by spurge. You act as if almost being lynched is damning, when the circumstances are far from it.

How insightful, that will surely help us.

I do agree that killing Mario is important, hence why I've been saying a vig should shoot him. No lulz here. :(

LMAO. Already pointed it out, but voting for the claimed power over the claimed vanilla. Jeez, I'd facepalm if I thought you were town.

Hey another decent point, but if mafia have a roleblocker(and signs are pointing towards yes) then by blocking me they eliminate the strongest possibility of being caught. Then you chance radish not correctly choosing to track the killer. It's risky, but has the added benefit of setting up all this WIFOM that you're mentioning now.

radish didn't think he was a Watcher. He thought that a Tracker's role behaves like an actual Watcher.

Certainly wasn't the brightest of moves not to block Wonk,(unless it's limited) but that fits my idea of an amateur scumteam. And if that's not the case, they could have figured there could be a bigger gain trying to block elsewhere, since Noctis had already claimed vanilla anyway.



mantlepiecek said:
I can see how some people may think I am trying to save wiibox by blaming radish though.

However you would be wrong then. If wiibox is mafia then radish isn't, I know that. However I was never convinced that wiibox is mafia just by radish's claim.

I want radish to attack me, so why are all you guys doing his job anyways? Linkz especially.

And again about my big post, why do people address the relatively unimportant points?

Why can't radish simply be sacrificing a teammate to paint himself as town? That's certainly in his deck of moves.

Why do you only want radish to attack you?



pezus said:

He was not blocked night 1, radish...

That's not necessarily true. "You saw nothing special" isn't the same as "Nobody visited Wonk"

Nor is it proven I was blocked night 2. Either I was and radish is almost definitely telling the truth. Or I wasn't and it was a ninja kill, which makes radish most likely the liar.



c03n3nj0 said:

1. It is perfectly possible for the mafia to want the town confused. A town deprived of information is one of the best things ever. Have you played a blind game before? It is very hard for the town to win those. 

2. All right, so we're establishing two scenarios here: 

1. The mafia wants Wonk dead to hide roles. The mafia roleblocker blocks linkz and they kill Wonk; Wiibox does the dirty deed. 

2. The mafia is actually Radish and Linkz, and they blame Wiibox for everything. 

Honestly scenario two is stretching it. One, Radish and linkz are TWO claimed power-roles. Spurge has been uncontested for a couple of days now, and linkz disproved spurge who was falsely claiming Watcher yesterday. Radish and Linkz must be fucking geniuses to have pre-planned all of this before hand. Or the luckiest mafiosi alive. 

If they did plan this and screw us over eventually, then I'll lose knowing I've been fairly bested. Even you can see that the best solution is lynching Wiibox3 now and disproving/proving Radish tomorrow. If Wiibox is telling the truth then Radish will be lynched without hesitation. 

There's a third scenario you know. Where I'm town and radish is mafia. Keep me alive because I gave my town stamp on radish so I definitely won't vote him. Sacrifices himself to get to lylo, and I look quite bad for supporting him so strongly. If Wiibox flips town vanilla, then prof's the only one I can see setting up something so complex. However, I severly doubt it to be the case. Too much risk of any little thing going wrong and the whole house of cards come crumbling down.



c03n3nj0 said:
Linkzmax said:
c03n3nj0 said:
^ The "either" in my previous post is a typo. Kinda confused myself reading that.

Anyways, could the mafia do everybody a favor and kill Mario tonight? I don't want to lynch him, he's town, but I DO want to know who is what. And hey, I bet you guys want to know who you kill, right?

And believe me, mafia, killing him is the only possible way to get rid of Mario. He's not going to be lynched anytime soon.

So you know a vig doesn't exist?

I'd rather a vig try to go after someone who's actually scum. 

Just thought of something. Unless Mario is killled, we wouldn't know if the vig shot mafia or not. Quite the issue.