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mantlepiecek said:
Linkzmax said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4668545 

"So I was thinking NotStan, Soleron,(Not really a newb, but hasn't played recently at least) and Wiibox. Now that I've read through the posts, NotStan has suggested a Soleron lynch. While it's not beyond mafia to throw a mate at the gallows to look good, I don't think he suggests that when there's still other viable mislynches. NotStan rings scummier of the two, but Soleron's inactivity makes that a weak feeling. Anyway, if I remove Soleron from the list, it brings in room for j0 or pezus."

You were saying?

Is that a reply to me?

 

Is this the lead you have? It's pretty weak. Then again against a townie you will only have weak leads, unless it's spurge I guess.

 

Between radish and wiibox, I am inclining towards radish being the scum. I will be honest. At this point we have to be careful enough so ultimately it will be upto you guys to decide who is scum or not.

 

I also think mario may not be scum. His behaviour doesn't match a scum's.

 

The only thing that is saving linkz right now is his watcher claim. He was almost lynched, but he came back claiming watcher and then we mislynched spurge, obviously it wasn't linkz's fault if he IS the watcher.

 

This has been a pretty bad game for town, in which both the lynches were the result of townies playing scummy for no reason.

Killing mario is very important otherwise we will never know other roles, but then mafia wants that exactly. So expect them to defend him or at least be not so much hostile towards him. At this stage though, I would rather not lynch him. Instead I will vote for the best guy I think :-

unvote

vote : radishhead

Pezus also brought up a good point. Why will the scum team kill wonk instead of the watcher/tracker? I myself think that is pretty laughable. They go and kill wonk...is hiding names that much more important than saving your skin? No it is not.

Linkz claims watcher and then gets blocked, radish claims tracker no action on him at all....he watches FF thinking he is a watcher when FF gets killed....and then says he tracked him.

 

Also there IS only one explanation for radish seeing wiibox whereas linkz doesn't. It is that linkz got blocked. But then why didn't wonk get blocked on night 1? Surely they didn't get scared of the watcher who hadn't claimed back then?

This post is all over the place  in thought structure, which I'll excuse, but you just contradicted yourself badly. 

In the first bold you say that the mafia dont want us to know the roles of the dead, but then you say it is laughable that the mafia killed Wonk. Wonk is the one thing that lets us see the roles of players killed at night, so tell, why wouldn't the mafia want Wonk dead? He is equally as important as keeping Mario alive, in the sense that both his death and Mario's survival ensure that the town be kept in the dark. 

Also, in the second bold, are you implying that the mafia didn't kill Wonk? Why are you questioning something that happened? Do you know who actually killed Wonk? 



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c03n3nj0 said:
Linkzmax said:
More not sure than anything else.


I don't know yet...

There is that he is defending WiiBox3 over odd reasoning. The "Lynch me and see" thing that wiibox pulled off is not even a strong indicator that he is town. 

So there's a possibility that mantle is mafia who knows that WiiBox3 will be mislynched - and he is defending him now to earn brownie points. 

Are you serious? I am not even defending him, more like attacking radish and Linkz.

It's not because of wiibox that I am attacking them either.



c03n3nj0 said:
mantlepiecek said:
Linkzmax said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4668545 

"So I was thinking NotStan, Soleron,(Not really a newb, but hasn't played recently at least) and Wiibox. Now that I've read through the posts, NotStan has suggested a Soleron lynch. While it's not beyond mafia to throw a mate at the gallows to look good, I don't think he suggests that when there's still other viable mislynches. NotStan rings scummier of the two, but Soleron's inactivity makes that a weak feeling. Anyway, if I remove Soleron from the list, it brings in room for j0 or pezus."

You were saying?

Is that a reply to me?

 

Is this the lead you have? It's pretty weak. Then again against a townie you will only have weak leads, unless it's spurge I guess.

 

Between radish and wiibox, I am inclining towards radish being the scum. I will be honest. At this point we have to be careful enough so ultimately it will be upto you guys to decide who is scum or not.

 

I also think mario may not be scum. His behaviour doesn't match a scum's.

 

The only thing that is saving linkz right now is his watcher claim. He was almost lynched, but he came back claiming watcher and then we mislynched spurge, obviously it wasn't linkz's fault if he IS the watcher.

 

This has been a pretty bad game for town, in which both the lynches were the result of townies playing scummy for no reason.

Killing mario is very important otherwise we will never know other roles, but then mafia wants that exactly. So expect them to defend him or at least be not so much hostile towards him. At this stage though, I would rather not lynch him. Instead I will vote for the best guy I think :-

unvote

vote : radishhead

Pezus also brought up a good point. Why will the scum team kill wonk instead of the watcher/tracker? I myself think that is pretty laughable. They go and kill wonk...is hiding names that much more important than saving your skin? No it is not.

Linkz claims watcher and then gets blocked, radish claims tracker no action on him at all....he watches FF thinking he is a watcher when FF gets killed....and then says he tracked him.

 

Also there IS only one explanation for radish seeing wiibox whereas linkz doesn't. It is that linkz got blocked. But then why didn't wonk get blocked on night 1? Surely they didn't get scared of the watcher who hadn't claimed back then?

This post is all over the place  in thought structure, which I'll excuse, but you just contradicted yourself badly. 

In the first bold you say that the mafia dont want us to know the roles of the dead, but then you say it is laughable that the mafia killed Wonk. Wonk is the one thing that lets us see the roles of players killed at night, so tell, why wouldn't the mafia want Wonk dead? He is equally as important as keeping Mario alive, in the sense that both his death and Mario's survival ensure that the town be kept in the dark. 

Also, in the second bold, are you implying that the mafia didn't kill Wonk? Why are you questioning something that happened? Do you know who actually killed Wonk? 

How did I contradict myself? The mafia don't want us to know the roles of the dead, but it IS laughable that they will prioritize it over their own lifes by keeping radish and linkz alive. Nothing contradictory there.

In my second bold I am implying that linkz and radish (either one of those or both) are lying.



I can see how some people may think I am trying to save wiibox by blaming radish though.

However you would be wrong then. If wiibox is mafia then radish isn't, I know that. However I was never convinced that wiibox is mafia just by radish's claim.

I want radish to attack me, so why are all you guys doing his job anyways? Linkz especially.

And again about my big post, why do people address the relatively unimportant points?



mantlepiecek said:

Between radish and wiibox, I am inclining towards radish being the scum. I will be honest. At this point we have to be careful enough so ultimately it will be upto you guys to decide who is scum or not.

- Okay, so you think I'm the mafia out of the two of us- I'll play along. Let's see your reasoning...

The only thing that is saving linkz right now is his watcher claim. He was almost lynched, but he came back claiming watcher and then we mislynched spurge, obviously it wasn't linkz's fault if he IS the watcher.

- Regarding whether Linkz is the watcher or not, I'm more inclined to believe that he is than isn't, just because if he's a mafia then that's another town role that we don't have- it just seems unlikely to me. I also believe that he was roleblocked last night (since that's the only scenario that would make sense following my discovery last night)

This has been a pretty bad game for town, in which both the lynches were the result of townies playing scummy for no reason.

- That is true, but not that relevent. Besides, wouldn't that encourage you to actually listen to the power roles, since they're the ones that can save the town despite so much bad play occuring early on? I'm not even asking that you believe the claims outright- just that you at least consider that they're telling the truth when making your argument.

Killing mario is very important otherwise we will never know other roles, but then mafia wants that exactly. So expect them to defend him or at least be not so much hostile towards him. At this stage though, I would rather not lynch him. Instead I will vote for the best guy I think :-

- I'm probably messing up here, but why wouldn't we want to know the roles of the dead? 

unvote

vote : radishhead

- Why would you vote for me instead of Wiibox? If we vote Wiibox, we're going off the results of an actual claimed power role- if he turns out town, then we know who to lynch the next day (assuming that I'm not nightkilled). If we lynch me, we are in the same situation, except we're a power role down. How does that make any sense?

Pezus also brought up a good point. Why will the scum team kill wonk instead of the watcher/tracker? I myself think that is pretty laughable. They go and kill wonk...is hiding names that much more important than saving your skin? No it is not.

Linkz claims watcher and then gets blocked, radish claims tracker no action on him at all....he watches FF thinking he is a watcher when FF gets killed....and then says he tracked him.

- End of day 1, I don't think half the town believed that I was actually a tracker - the only way I could prove that was by getting a successful result - which I have done. That explains why the mafia didn't kill me last night - as for why I wasn't roleblocked, I guess they thought that Linkz was more of a threat? I don't know - looks like both of us targetted the right person last night, so it doesn't really matter.

Also there IS only one explanation for radish seeing wiibox whereas linkz doesn't. It is that linkz got blocked. But then why didn't wonk get blocked on night 1? Surely they didn't get scared of the watcher who hadn't claimed back then?





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+ Oh yeah, I forgot that Linkz hadn't claimed watcher on Day 1- I don't know why he was blocked then



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They must have blocked a random player then, I guess - probably a vanilla considering how many of those we seem to have



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It's very odd that a roleblocker would strike after the third day after we've had claimed roles since day 1.

Unless they wanted to lay low a few days.



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c03n3nj0 said:
It's very odd that a roleblocker would strike after the third day after we've had claimed roles since day 1.

Unless they wanted to lay low a few days.

Are you sure it is AFTER the third day? We have only had two nights so far Jo. :P

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I have already discussed all the possabilities between Radish/ Linkz/ and Wiibox. Even if Radish is scum we will find out soon enough. If Wiibox does flip vanilla townie Radish is as good as dead the next day. It is worth risking a vanilla townie over a aclaimed tracker. It shouldn't be that hard to understand for someone like you. So, what is the real reason behind trying to save Wiibox? Is he on your mafia team? From your actions it makes it seem like it.




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Let's just change that to before the third day day and it makes sense again.



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