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Andrespetmonkey said:
NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Significant_leap said:
Andrespetmonkey
they are generic because are based on cliches, can be replaced easily and have little to no appeal to the people that are not biased,
talking about sales and MArio?


"based on cliches" WAT How many good tough guys have you seen before in Sony/M$ games? Many, that's really all of what their MC's are, good tough guys. (And Nintendo can fall under this category for some of it's 3rd/2nd party games, too.) 

You clearly haven't played an Uncharted game. How is Drake a tough guy? And in UC3 he's hinted at being the "bad guy" quite a bit. He isn't a predictable character, his darker story is explored a little in UC3.

Drake is set as a tough/heroic character. He is adventurous and does things most people would not do. OK, so he is hinted. as being bad Is he really the bad guy in the end, though? Btw, I never even mentioned Drake.

"can be replaced easily" WAT That one is pretty obvious. It's obvious what he meant sure, it's just not correct. How can Uncharted or GOW be replaced easily? Explain that point if you're gonna make it.

I didn't really know what he meant by it, either. I was referring to what you stated in the underlined area.

"little to no appeal to the people that are not biased" WAAAAAAT. xD What does that even mean? What I think He means is that people who don't really like FPS/TPS Genre/Sony can see that it is basically what I wrote in my first sentences. 

1st of all, it's not what you wrote in the first sentences, 2nd of all, you haven't even played the games yet make judgements as if you have. E.g. you don't get the general overview of Drakes character from a trailer or 2. Or if you have played them, please tell me how Nate Drake fits the "tough guy" character. "people who don't really like FPS/TPS Genre/Sony can see that it is basically what I wrote in my first sentences." can you back that up? I know at least 3 Ninty fans that bought a PS3 for Uncharted, and have loved it, including one guy from here (HappyD).

Did I say Nintendo Fans? I also never said every person who doesn't really like those types of games.


And yes, sales and Mario? I said that Mario sells really well, or at least implied it, and that's why Ninty slaps his name on so many games. What's your point? Nintendo "Slaps" his name on games because that is one of their largest "Worlds". They have "Mario" Kart because they can incorporate several Mario-Series Characters into one game. It would be stupid to have a Pokemon Kart because is 1.) pokemon's not versatile enough and 2.) it would just look stupid. (That's an expample, btw.)

Karting games are an exception, that's why I've never mentioned them.

I was using that as an example.









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Same reason why people hate COD or Halo......because its popular.

But funny thing is, internet hate



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

bananaking21 said:

i mentioned zelda because i mentioed zelda and mario are all what nintendo makes, thats all i didnt mention anything about the game itself, i just said they make a lot of zelda games. well i did play OoT on my friends n64 (didnt finish it) even though the game is a quality game no doubt, it wasnt just for me at the time (maybe i would love it know who knows?) as for the new fans what about them? the way a mentioned mario games should mature doest push away new fans, on the contrary it pulls them in even more, honestly if they make mario feel like a charecter, a human, and a hero not just tell us that he is, wouldnt that be awesome? and wouldnt it make new comers to the game love it more?

You said the Mario Series should evolve with it's first generation. Why should it evolve with it's first generation if there are more generations to come to play Mario games again?



NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
NintendoPie said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Significant_leap said:
Andrespetmonkey
they are generic because are based on cliches, can be replaced easily and have little to no appeal to the people that are not biased,
talking about sales and MArio?


"based on cliches" WAT How many good tough guys have you seen before in Sony/M$ games? Many, that's really all of what their MC's are, good tough guys. (And Nintendo can fall under this category for some of it's 3rd/2nd party games, too.) 

You clearly haven't played an Uncharted game. How is Drake a tough guy? And in UC3 he's hinted at being the "bad guy" quite a bit. He isn't a predictable character, his darker story is explored a little in UC3.

Drake is set as a tough/heroic character. He is adventurous and does things most people would not do. OK, so he is hinted. as being bad Is he really the bad guy in the end, though? Btw, I never even mentioned Drake.

 He's hardly heroic, who is he a hero to? He's in it for the treasure and the rush, and some other things hinted at in UC3. You said "that's really all of what their MC's are, good tough guys," so this doesn't include Drake? I guess it includes Sackboy, all the characters from HR, Sly cooper, the characters from Team Ico games...

"can be replaced easily" WAT That one is pretty obvious. It's obvious what he meant sure, it's just not correct. How can Uncharted or GOW be replaced easily? Explain that point if you're gonna make it.

I didn't really know what he meant by it, either. I was referring to what you stated in the underlined area.

fair enough

"little to no appeal to the people that are not biased" WAAAAAAT. xD What does that even mean? What I think He means is that people who don't really like FPS/TPS Genre/Sony can see that it is basically what I wrote in my first sentences. 

1st of all, it's not what you wrote in the first sentences, 2nd of all, you haven't even played the games yet make judgements as if you have. E.g. you don't get the general overview of Drakes character from a trailer or 2. Or if you have played them, please tell me how Nate Drake fits the "tough guy" character. "people who don't really like FPS/TPS Genre/Sony can see that it is basically what I wrote in my first sentences." can you back that up? I know at least 3 Ninty fans that bought a PS3 for Uncharted, and have loved it, including one guy from here (HappyD).

Did I say Nintendo Fans? I also never said every person who doesn't really like those types of games.

"What I think He means is that people who don't really like FPS/TPS Genre/Sony can see that it is basically what I wrote in my first sentences." This includes Ninty fans, you didn't say"some people" or "a few people," you generalised. But if you take that back, then what is your point?

Again, can you back that claim up? Or is it completely unsubstantiated?


And yes, sales and Mario? I said that Mario sells really well, or at least implied it, and that's why Ninty slaps his name on so many games. What's your point? Nintendo "Slaps" his name on games because that is one of their largest "Worlds". They have "Mario" Kart because they can incorporate several Mario-Series Characters into one game. It would be stupid to have a Pokemon Kart because is 1.) pokemon's not versatile enough and 2.) it would just look stupid. (That's an expample, btw.)

Karting games are an exception, that's why I've never mentioned them.

I was using that as an example.












People are failing to realise that Nintendo extend Mario more than just a video game character. To many, he's become a sort of "seal of quality" to the general public. You want a fun platformer? Mario main series. Want a fun racing game? Mario Kart. Party game? Mario Party.

To be honest, I probably wouldn't have tried half of the Mario titles had thy not had Mario in them, but the reason why I have is because I am more assured that it's generally a more quirky and fun variation to the particular genre, and all in all, I haven't been as disappointed as what I would have been by choosing other random games from the same genres.



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NintendoPie said:
bananaking21 said:

i mentioned zelda because i mentioed zelda and mario are all what nintendo makes, thats all i didnt mention anything about the game itself, i just said they make a lot of zelda games. well i did play OoT on my friends n64 (didnt finish it) even though the game is a quality game no doubt, it wasnt just for me at the time (maybe i would love it know who knows?) as for the new fans what about them? the way a mentioned mario games should mature doest push away new fans, on the contrary it pulls them in even more, honestly if they make mario feel like a charecter, a human, and a hero not just tell us that he is, wouldnt that be awesome? and wouldnt it make new comers to the game love it more?

You said the Mario Series should evolve with it's first generation. Why should it evolve with it's first generation if there are more generations to come to play Mario games again?


why? because that what should games should do! evolve! look at gta 1 and 3! we wouldnt have had the awesomeness of the open world gta games if gta 3 didnt evolve. there are so many examples of that! its just ludacris to think games shouldnt evolve!! 



bananaking21 said:


why? because that what should games should do! evolve! look at gta 1 and 3! we wouldnt have had the awesomeness of the open world gta games if gta 3 didnt evolve. there are so many examples of that! its just ludacris to think games shouldnt evolve!! 

Mario, in general, has evolved.



Andrespetmonkey said:
milkyjoe said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Kyuubi Ricky SSJ2 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
OT: Personally, I just find Mario completely uninteresting, and I can't see why anyone over the age of 12 doesn't feel the same 

You can't say that and then have a pic of Little Big Planet in your sig or Domo in your avatar, it's completely contradictory.

Why? LBP appeals to mature gamers as much as children IMO, everyone is creative. And I don't find the sackboy character interesting, it's the game that I think is awesome. As for Domo... it's just something I liked when I was little, and someone got me the poster so... yeah, not much more explanation needed.

I can't get my head around the idea that Mario doesn't appeal to a wide demographic but LBP does. They have practically identical appeal, the only difference between the two is that LBP obviously has a massively inferior fanbase.

LBP is all about creativity and user-generated content.

And most people don't care about that.  People generally don't care you can create your own stuff.  What they care about is getting a ton of fun content at a low price.  This is part of the reason Mario does better than LBP in the market.  I say this as a game designer and fan of user generated content.  The reality is that isn't want people want.

I might as well also jump in regarding the post you responded to also.  LBP and Sackboy are Sony's attempts to jump on Mario platformer and Kart racing.  They want Sackboy to become a mascot.  Apparently, just doing user generated content didn't cut it, which is why Modnation Racer is pretty much being abandoned for a Sackboy Kart Racing game.  It is the same market, just done differently by Sony.  Sackboy and LBP are Sony's response to Mario.  And you also have Microsoft going with Trials Evolution as an answer to LBP.



I think this thread should be locked as it is causing a lot of trouble right now for all these conflicting opinions. :(



This arguing about story is pointless anyway. Mario is supposed to be story-less.

It's no wonder why Andrespetmonkey likes Uncharted's story and characters better than Mario's, because there isn't any. No arguing that. A lot of people fail to see the point. Mario is Nintendo's way to create games that are easy (not as in difficulty) to play and are accessible to anyone. It's a fun way to spend your time without any bells and whistles. For all intends and purposes, Mario is just an avatar. That approach to gaming works, nearly every time.

Also, people should pay attention to Mario Galaxy (one)'s story. See what happens if you dig a little deeper in the game. Anyone who believes Mario hasn't 'evolved' throughout it's years need to check a retrospect. I guess most of us nowadays are blinded by New Super Mario Bros., which is basically a remake of the NES games. If Nintendo wants story to be on the forefront, they'll use another one of their franchises like Zelda.
Which is also why bananaking21 and even NintendoPie should stop talking about Zelda, as they're talking nonsense. With all due respect, I don't mean to sound harsh. All Zelda games are vastly different and all very story-driven, some of them go very deep. Way deeper than 90% of the other games out there. Anyone who says otherwise is ignorant. Excuse me if I'm stepping on anyones toes here, but it's the truth.

Mario being just an avatar explains the large amount of 'Mario games', even if there are only about 20 real Mario games in the character's 30 year existence, depending on definition (Mario World 2 for example; Mario game or not?). The Mario avatar idea, as said by others, also gives a face to games that otherwise be without identity. No more, no less. Oh, and Zelda, by the way, only has 16 games in the almost 26 years of existence.