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Kasz216 on 27 June 2012
spaceguy said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
sethnintendo said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
spaceguy said:

this = garbage. You full of sh-t dude.


I can back up everything I said, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it garbage.



You can back up fox news or straight opinion. I just answered there was conflict of interest and you just said that everything can be bought out. Nope if the laws where in place not allowing people from these companies to work at the agencies, this would not happen. This is like saying, people are going to get killed and raped. Why have cops.


There is no way to stop the corrutoin except to remove the ability to be corupted. The best way to do that is remopve positons of power that are not needed and do not accomplish what they set out to do. You can't ban people from working in the government who have previously worked in the private sector. No one would be able to work for the public. Also of note is that even countries with a lot of government, far more than we do, have the same problems and have the same problems of corruption. You have not addressed his issue at all.

Only solution is fascism.  Why don't we become fascist?  If we let private companies control the government why don't we get rid of all the wasted millions/billions on elections and turn completely fascist?  I honestly think USA would be a better nation if it was fascist.

Yep I will be in Canada by that time if that happens. I will watch as it all burns down. Yes thats what these guys don't understand, thats how hitler did things to. Got rid of all the rules and then you can just kill at will and do whatever you want.  Dump all your sh-t in the neighbors well. Whos going to stop you? No one.
So why don't we do that and see how it works out, o yea we did try that and thats why the fucking agencies started in the first place. WTF>

Wow you really seem ot be missing the point. Hitler did not shrink the government, he increased it just as you are asking to do. We are asking the opposite, to shrink the government. But hey why not throw out the HItler argument instead of coming up with counter points. Its the best sign of a failed argument.


How do you think hitler became as powerful as he was because he got rid of rules. Rules of goverment.  what about the part below. You can tell when someone starts picking apart your answer they have counter argument. Read the whole thing

No he didn't... Hitler came to power by using the rules in place and legislating new rules.

Specifically

A) Aticle 48 of the Weimer Constituion which allowed him to take any action to protect public saftey during a time of emergency.  (Reichstag being burnt down counted for sure.)

In which... he granted the Federal government powers previously reserved  for the Individual German states.

B) The Enabling act which Increased the powers of the Chancellor by giving him Plenary powers.

 

Hiter came to power by greatly increasing the power of the federak government. 

 



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spaceguy on 27 June 2012
Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
sethnintendo said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
spaceguy said:

this = garbage. You full of sh-t dude.


I can back up everything I said, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it garbage.



You can back up fox news or straight opinion. I just answered there was conflict of interest and you just said that everything can be bought out. Nope if the laws where in place not allowing people from these companies to work at the agencies, this would not happen. This is like saying, people are going to get killed and raped. Why have cops.


There is no way to stop the corrutoin except to remove the ability to be corupted. The best way to do that is remopve positons of power that are not needed and do not accomplish what they set out to do. You can't ban people from working in the government who have previously worked in the private sector. No one would be able to work for the public. Also of note is that even countries with a lot of government, far more than we do, have the same problems and have the same problems of corruption. You have not addressed his issue at all.

Only solution is fascism.  Why don't we become fascist?  If we let private companies control the government why don't we get rid of all the wasted millions/billions on elections and turn completely fascist?  I honestly think USA would be a better nation if it was fascist.

Yep I will be in Canada by that time if that happens. I will watch as it all burns down. Yes thats what these guys don't understand, thats how hitler did things to. Got rid of all the rules and then you can just kill at will and do whatever you want.  Dump all your sh-t in the neighbors well. Whos going to stop you? No one.
So why don't we do that and see how it works out, o yea we did try that and thats why the fucking agencies started in the first place. WTF>

Wow you really seem ot be missing the point. Hitler did not shrink the government, he increased it just as you are asking to do. We are asking the opposite, to shrink the government. But hey why not throw out the HItler argument instead of coming up with counter points. Its the best sign of a failed argument.


How do you think hitler became as powerful as he was because he got rid of rules. Rules of goverment.  what about the part below. You can tell when someone starts picking apart your answer they have counter argument. Read the whole thing

No he didn't... Hitler came to power by using the rules in place and legislating new rules.

Specifically

A) Aticle 48 of the Weimer Constituion which allowed him to take any action to protect public saftey during a time of emergency.  (Reichstag being burnt down counted for sure.)

In which... he granted the Federal government powers previously reserved  for the Individual German states.

B) The Enabling act which Increased the powers of the Chancellor by giving him Plenary powers.

 

Hiter came to power by greatly increasing the power of the federak government. 

 


Well that was the point I was making, he got rid of necessary rules that allowed him to become the power he was. I never said he didn't put in his own rules that surved his purpose. I think we are talking about the same damn thing. I'm saying he got rid of the rules that would have stopped him from becoming so powerful.



Kasz216 on 27 June 2012
spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
spaceguy said:

this = garbage. You full of sh-t dude.


I can back up everything I said, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it garbage.



You can back up fox news or straight opinion. I just answered there was conflict of interest and you just said that everything can be bought out. Nope if the laws where in place not allowing people from these companies to work at the agencies, this would not happen. This is like saying, people are going to get killed and raped. Why have cops.


There is no way to stop the corrutoin except to remove the ability to be corupted. The best way to do that is remopve positons of power that are not needed and do not accomplish what they set out to do. You can't ban people from working in the government who have previously worked in the private sector. No one would be able to work for the public. Also of note is that even countries with a lot of government, far more than we do, have the same problems and have the same problems of corruption. You have not addressed his issue at all.


Really. Go to Detroit, cross the bridge into canada. Very close right?

Well Canada takes care of there people a lot better then us. Detroit One of the murder capitals of the world, on the other side of that same city. Only a few murder in the last 30 years. Cops/FBI used to have the same problem with corruption, It takes time to make things work right. Once you get it right will look at the MOB. You don't just say. well the cops are somewhat corrupt, so no cops. There are still fires, no firefighters. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard and yes you can stop people that worked for a company like Monsanto. or however. I'm not saying the whole private sector but if your in from a massive corporations that is a conflict of interest, then yes you can. So stoping these positions of power completely, what that going to do, make it ten time worse. Do you know the results of that type of decision. No you don't. It would get way out of hand thats why we started the fucking things because it was way out of hand, people where dieing non-stop.

Um.... Spaceguy. 

I'm not sure why your using murders as a sign of courrption, but it's worth noting the Conservative party is now in power because the liberals were caught in a huge CRUSHING corruption scandal, the type of which would be unheard of here... directly funneling money to companies that were campaign doners from a government program on the gurantee that some of that money would be kicked back to the liberal party.

and the conservatives have had their own scandals since then.  The US hasn't had anything that bad on such a high scale.

I mean, I don't agree that we should get rid of "all regulations" but you literally picked one of the WORST examples possible.

By the way... I'm still waiting for your reply?  Are you going to admit you were wrong, or are you going to disagree with me and say the Paul Ryan/Bill O'Reily healthcare plan would be great for the country and not be seen as an extreme right wing plan?

Likely you thought the Swiss healthcare plan was like europe.  That with the above seems to show a pattern of you not fully researching stuff.

First, what does Conservative and Liberal even mean, NOTHING! so once you realize that we can talk.  The words only confuse and mislead people to falsehoods.

You second mistake is thinking I'm a liberal. I'm not and I would say I have views on everthing and am not going to be put into a box. Paul Ryans plan I will not agree with. i agree with single payer.

Worst apology ever.

Again you didn't even bother to read my post.  Which is kinda sad, since you missed the context again.  Which was, the Canadian government had a huge corruption scandal far bigger then anything in the US.


No offense, but your doing your cause way more harm then good by all your lack of reading posts throughly and giving unresearched positions. 

You'd be better off leaving the arguement to someone like Mr. Khan.  Or at the very least, taking a deep breath and looking up your examples before you post them... because you keep inadvertantly selecting some of the examples that are a negative to your cause.



spaceguy on 27 June 2012
Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
spaceguy said:

this = garbage. You full of sh-t dude.


I can back up everything I said, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it garbage.



You can back up fox news or straight opinion. I just answered there was conflict of interest and you just said that everything can be bought out. Nope if the laws where in place not allowing people from these companies to work at the agencies, this would not happen. This is like saying, people are going to get killed and raped. Why have cops.


There is no way to stop the corrutoin except to remove the ability to be corupted. The best way to do that is remopve positons of power that are not needed and do not accomplish what they set out to do. You can't ban people from working in the government who have previously worked in the private sector. No one would be able to work for the public. Also of note is that even countries with a lot of government, far more than we do, have the same problems and have the same problems of corruption. You have not addressed his issue at all.


Really. Go to Detroit, cross the bridge into canada. Very close right?

Well Canada takes care of there people a lot better then us. Detroit One of the murder capitals of the world, on the other side of that same city. Only a few murder in the last 30 years. Cops/FBI used to have the same problem with corruption, It takes time to make things work right. Once you get it right will look at the MOB. You don't just say. well the cops are somewhat corrupt, so no cops. There are still fires, no firefighters. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard and yes you can stop people that worked for a company like Monsanto. or however. I'm not saying the whole private sector but if your in from a massive corporations that is a conflict of interest, then yes you can. So stoping these positions of power completely, what that going to do, make it ten time worse. Do you know the results of that type of decision. No you don't. It would get way out of hand thats why we started the fucking things because it was way out of hand, people where dieing non-stop.

Um.... Spaceguy. 

I'm not sure why your using murders as a sign of courrption, but it's worth noting the Conservative party is now in power because the liberals were caught in a huge CRUSHING corruption scandal, the type of which would be unheard of here... directly funneling money to companies that were campaign doners from a government program on the gurantee that some of that money would be kicked back to the liberal party.

and the conservatives have had their own scandals since then.  The US hasn't had anything that bad on such a high scale.

I mean, I don't agree that we should get rid of "all regulations" but you literally picked one of the WORST examples possible.

By the way... I'm still waiting for your reply?  Are you going to admit you were wrong, or are you going to disagree with me and say the Paul Ryan/Bill O'Reily healthcare plan would be great for the country and not be seen as an extreme right wing plan?

Likely you thought the Swiss healthcare plan was like europe.  That with the above seems to show a pattern of you not fully researching stuff.

First, what does Conservative and Liberal even mean, NOTHING! so once you realize that we can talk.  The words only confuse and mislead people to falsehoods.

You second mistake is thinking I'm a liberal. I'm not and I would say I have views on everthing and am not going to be put into a box. Paul Ryans plan I will not agree with. i agree with single payer.

Worst apology ever.

Again you didn't even bother to read my post.  Which is kinda sad, since you missed the context again.  Which was, the Canadian government had a huge corruption scandal far bigger then anything in the US.


No offense, but your doing your cause way more harm then good by all your lack of reading posts throughly and giving unresearched positions. 

You'd be better off leaving the arguement to someone like Mr. Khan.  Or at the very least, taking a deep breath and looking up your examples before you post them... because you keep inadvertantly selecting some of the examples that are a negative to your cause.



I will give you that. I'm having a pissed off day but usually I do read your post, I admit I'm really aggitated as of lately. The last week or so. So yes I have been off my sh-t. U know I'm usually not that bad. No I did not know about the scandel in canada. However there system from what I witnessed and seen with my own eyes works better. I game with people over there. They laugh at this country. They have been trying to get me up there.



Kasz216 on 27 June 2012
spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
sethnintendo said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
spaceguy said:

this = garbage. You full of sh-t dude.


I can back up everything I said, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it garbage.



You can back up fox news or straight opinion. I just answered there was conflict of interest and you just said that everything can be bought out. Nope if the laws where in place not allowing people from these companies to work at the agencies, this would not happen. This is like saying, people are going to get killed and raped. Why have cops.


There is no way to stop the corrutoin except to remove the ability to be corupted. The best way to do that is remopve positons of power that are not needed and do not accomplish what they set out to do. You can't ban people from working in the government who have previously worked in the private sector. No one would be able to work for the public. Also of note is that even countries with a lot of government, far more than we do, have the same problems and have the same problems of corruption. You have not addressed his issue at all.

Only solution is fascism.  Why don't we become fascist?  If we let private companies control the government why don't we get rid of all the wasted millions/billions on elections and turn completely fascist?  I honestly think USA would be a better nation if it was fascist.

Yep I will be in Canada by that time if that happens. I will watch as it all burns down. Yes thats what these guys don't understand, thats how hitler did things to. Got rid of all the rules and then you can just kill at will and do whatever you want.  Dump all your sh-t in the neighbors well. Whos going to stop you? No one.
So why don't we do that and see how it works out, o yea we did try that and thats why the fucking agencies started in the first place. WTF>

Wow you really seem ot be missing the point. Hitler did not shrink the government, he increased it just as you are asking to do. We are asking the opposite, to shrink the government. But hey why not throw out the HItler argument instead of coming up with counter points. Its the best sign of a failed argument.


How do you think hitler became as powerful as he was because he got rid of rules. Rules of goverment.  what about the part below. You can tell when someone starts picking apart your answer they have counter argument. Read the whole thing

No he didn't... Hitler came to power by using the rules in place and legislating new rules.

Specifically

A) Aticle 48 of the Weimer Constituion which allowed him to take any action to protect public saftey during a time of emergency.  (Reichstag being burnt down counted for sure.)

In which... he granted the Federal government powers previously reserved  for the Individual German states.

B) The Enabling act which Increased the powers of the Chancellor by giving him Plenary powers.

 

Hiter came to power by greatly increasing the power of the federak government. 

 

Well that was the point I was making, he got rid of necessary rules that allowed him to become the power he was. I never said he didn't put in his own rules that surved his purpose.

That's an extremely pedantic arguement.

Pretty much EVERY law replaces another law.   You could just as eaisly use the same arguement to claim that Signle payer healthcare is "Removign laws" therefoe anti-regulation.

Fact is, hitler increased federal powers influence on everything.   He didn't decrease it.   Which is why Facism tends to be at the top of the "Authrotarian" chart right in the middle with First Stage Communism on left and Dictatorship on the Right.

 

 



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spaceguy on 27 June 2012
Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
sethnintendo said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
spaceguy said:

this = garbage. You full of sh-t dude.


I can back up everything I said, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it garbage.



You can back up fox news or straight opinion. I just answered there was conflict of interest and you just said that everything can be bought out. Nope if the laws where in place not allowing people from these companies to work at the agencies, this would not happen. This is like saying, people are going to get killed and raped. Why have cops.


There is no way to stop the corrutoin except to remove the ability to be corupted. The best way to do that is remopve positons of power that are not needed and do not accomplish what they set out to do. You can't ban people from working in the government who have previously worked in the private sector. No one would be able to work for the public. Also of note is that even countries with a lot of government, far more than we do, have the same problems and have the same problems of corruption. You have not addressed his issue at all.

Only solution is fascism.  Why don't we become fascist?  If we let private companies control the government why don't we get rid of all the wasted millions/billions on elections and turn completely fascist?  I honestly think USA would be a better nation if it was fascist.

Yep I will be in Canada by that time if that happens. I will watch as it all burns down. Yes thats what these guys don't understand, thats how hitler did things to. Got rid of all the rules and then you can just kill at will and do whatever you want.  Dump all your sh-t in the neighbors well. Whos going to stop you? No one.
So why don't we do that and see how it works out, o yea we did try that and thats why the fucking agencies started in the first place. WTF>

Wow you really seem ot be missing the point. Hitler did not shrink the government, he increased it just as you are asking to do. We are asking the opposite, to shrink the government. But hey why not throw out the HItler argument instead of coming up with counter points. Its the best sign of a failed argument.


How do you think hitler became as powerful as he was because he got rid of rules. Rules of goverment.  what about the part below. You can tell when someone starts picking apart your answer they have counter argument. Read the whole thing

No he didn't... Hitler came to power by using the rules in place and legislating new rules.

Specifically

A) Aticle 48 of the Weimer Constituion which allowed him to take any action to protect public saftey during a time of emergency.  (Reichstag being burnt down counted for sure.)

In which... he granted the Federal government powers previously reserved  for the Individual German states.

B) The Enabling act which Increased the powers of the Chancellor by giving him Plenary powers.

 

Hiter came to power by greatly increasing the power of the federak government. 

 

Well that was the point I was making, he got rid of necessary rules that allowed him to become the power he was. I never said he didn't put in his own rules that surved his purpose.

That's an extremely pedantic arguement.

Pretty much EVERY law replaces another law.   You could just as eaisly use the same arguement to claim that Signle payer healthcare is "Removign laws" therefoe anti-regulation.

Fact is, hitler increased federal powers influence on everything.   He didn't decrease it.   Which is why Facism tends to be at the top of the "Authrotarian" chart right in the middle with First Stage Communism on left and Dictatorship on the Right.

 

 


Whats pedantic?

 



Kasz216 on 27 June 2012
spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
spaceguy said:

this = garbage. You full of sh-t dude.


I can back up everything I said, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it garbage.



You can back up fox news or straight opinion. I just answered there was conflict of interest and you just said that everything can be bought out. Nope if the laws where in place not allowing people from these companies to work at the agencies, this would not happen. This is like saying, people are going to get killed and raped. Why have cops.


There is no way to stop the corrutoin except to remove the ability to be corupted. The best way to do that is remopve positons of power that are not needed and do not accomplish what they set out to do. You can't ban people from working in the government who have previously worked in the private sector. No one would be able to work for the public. Also of note is that even countries with a lot of government, far more than we do, have the same problems and have the same problems of corruption. You have not addressed his issue at all.


Really. Go to Detroit, cross the bridge into canada. Very close right?

Well Canada takes care of there people a lot better then us. Detroit One of the murder capitals of the world, on the other side of that same city. Only a few murder in the last 30 years. Cops/FBI used to have the same problem with corruption, It takes time to make things work right. Once you get it right will look at the MOB. You don't just say. well the cops are somewhat corrupt, so no cops. There are still fires, no firefighters. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard and yes you can stop people that worked for a company like Monsanto. or however. I'm not saying the whole private sector but if your in from a massive corporations that is a conflict of interest, then yes you can. So stoping these positions of power completely, what that going to do, make it ten time worse. Do you know the results of that type of decision. No you don't. It would get way out of hand thats why we started the fucking things because it was way out of hand, people where dieing non-stop.

Um.... Spaceguy. 

I'm not sure why your using murders as a sign of courrption, but it's worth noting the Conservative party is now in power because the liberals were caught in a huge CRUSHING corruption scandal, the type of which would be unheard of here... directly funneling money to companies that were campaign doners from a government program on the gurantee that some of that money would be kicked back to the liberal party.

and the conservatives have had their own scandals since then.  The US hasn't had anything that bad on such a high scale.

I mean, I don't agree that we should get rid of "all regulations" but you literally picked one of the WORST examples possible.

By the way... I'm still waiting for your reply?  Are you going to admit you were wrong, or are you going to disagree with me and say the Paul Ryan/Bill O'Reily healthcare plan would be great for the country and not be seen as an extreme right wing plan?

Likely you thought the Swiss healthcare plan was like europe.  That with the above seems to show a pattern of you not fully researching stuff.

First, what does Conservative and Liberal even mean, NOTHING! so once you realize that we can talk.  The words only confuse and mislead people to falsehoods.

You second mistake is thinking I'm a liberal. I'm not and I would say I have views on everthing and am not going to be put into a box. Paul Ryans plan I will not agree with. i agree with single payer.

Worst apology ever.

Again you didn't even bother to read my post.  Which is kinda sad, since you missed the context again.  Which was, the Canadian government had a huge corruption scandal far bigger then anything in the US.


No offense, but your doing your cause way more harm then good by all your lack of reading posts throughly and giving unresearched positions. 

You'd be better off leaving the arguement to someone like Mr. Khan.  Or at the very least, taking a deep breath and looking up your examples before you post them... because you keep inadvertantly selecting some of the examples that are a negative to your cause.



I will give you that. I'm having a pissed off day but usually I do read your post, I admit I'm really aggitated as of lately. The last week or so. So yes I have been off my sh-t. U know I'm usually not that bad. No I did not know about the scandel in canada. However there system from what I witnessed and seen with my own eyes works better. I game with people over there. They laugh at this country. They have been trying to get me up there.

Which is fine... except the exact opposite is true as well, and more statistically supported.

There are more Canadian Illegal immigrants living in the US then vice versa... which really says something when you consider just how many more Americans there are.

Legal immigration shows way more canadians coming here, then Americans going to Canada. (Though the gap is lower then usual.)

And when it comes to Healthcare.... the Canadian Healthcare debate usually focuses on unfavorable comparisons to the US.   In the same way you talk about the Canadian Healthcare system being better at some things... they talk about the American one being better at some things.  You just don't here it because you don't live in canada and presumibly your friends support the Candian style system.



spaceguy on 27 June 2012

Maybe so but I moved a sh-t load back and never had people to take back to america.

O yea if your wondering I was a mover. I moved alot of people up there as well. Thats was always the reason. Saying that our healthcare is to f'ed up. We will see what happens on thurs. The ruling will come out for the mandate, which I agree with some of it and some I don't. But really the mandate is making people pay that don't. So we pay for them anyway and if you read the bill. It says that if you don't pay for health insurance, it's a 100 fine and no arrest if you don't pay it. SO it would just go on your credit report and if your to poor to pay. you would get it free.



Kasz216 on 27 June 2012
spaceguy said:

Maybe so but I moved a sh-t load back and never had people to take back to america.

O yea if your wondering I was a mover. I moved alot of people up there as well. Thats was always the reason. Saying that our healthcare is to f'ed up. We will see what happens on thurs. The ruling will come out for the mandate, which I agree with some of it and some I don't. But really the mandate is making people pay that don't. So we pay for them anyway and if you read the bill. It says that if you don't pay for health insurance, it's a 100 fine and no arrest if you don't pay it. SO it would just go on your credit report and if your to poor to pay. you would get it free.

I'd think that would have something to do with your connections and the fact that you live here.

That said, it's also worth noting that Canada's healthcare is actually moving towards American Healthcare as we speak.

As for the bolded.  You mean, exactly what happens now in the US anyway.

If the idividual mandate has no teeth it's not going to bring anyone into the market.

Why is anyone going to suddenly join the healthcare market when the penalty for not having insurance would be wipedout by the same mechanic that wipes out your debt if you don't have insurance now?


You can't see the contradiction in the line "We're going to lower the price of healtchcare by forcing people who can't afford to pay for their medical treatments, go bankrupt and raise prices for other people  by forcing people into markets with a fine, though people don't have to pay the fine if they can't afford it by going bankrupt."

If anything, I'd be more likely to DROP my insurance and just buy isnurance right before I need to go to a doctor.  Since my insurance (and the mandated minium under ACA) more or less would fuck me if i get REALLY sick anyway.

They should get rid of practically everything in the law and just exapnd federal coverage of healthcare... and reform that so it actually works better.



spaceguy on 27 June 2012
Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:

Maybe so but I moved a sh-t load back and never had people to take back to america.

O yea if your wondering I was a mover. I moved alot of people up there as well. Thats was always the reason. Saying that our healthcare is to f'ed up. We will see what happens on thurs. The ruling will come out for the mandate, which I agree with some of it and some I don't. But really the mandate is making people pay that don't. So we pay for them anyway and if you read the bill. It says that if you don't pay for health insurance, it's a 100 fine and no arrest if you don't pay it. SO it would just go on your credit report and if your to poor to pay. you would get it free.

I'd think that would have something to do with your connections and the fact that you live here.

That said, it's also worth noting that Canada's healthcare is actually moving towards American Healthcare as we speak.

As for the bolded.  You mean, exactly what happens now in the US anyway.

If the idividual mandate has no teeth it's not going to bring anyone into the market.

Why is anyone going to suddenly join the healthcare market when the penalty for not having insurance would be wipedout by the same mechanic that wipes out your debt if you don't have insurance now?


You can't see the contradiction in the line "We're going to lower the price of healtchcare by forcing people who can't afford to pay for their medical treatments, go bankrupt and raise prices for other people  by forcing people into markets with a fine, though people don't have to pay the fine if they can't afford it by going bankrupt."

 

They should get rid of practically everything in the law and just exapnd federal coverage of healthcare... and reform that so it actually works better.

Yes thats why I wrote it down. You saying you want them to expand medicare to everyone, like it was originally suppost to do.