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sethnintendo said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
spaceguy said:

this = garbage. You full of sh-t dude.


I can back up everything I said, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it garbage.



You can back up fox news or straight opinion. I just answered there was conflict of interest and you just said that everything can be bought out. Nope if the laws where in place not allowing people from these companies to work at the agencies, this would not happen. This is like saying, people are going to get killed and raped. Why have cops.


There is no way to stop the corrutoin except to remove the ability to be corupted. The best way to do that is remopve positons of power that are not needed and do not accomplish what they set out to do. You can't ban people from working in the government who have previously worked in the private sector. No one would be able to work for the public. Also of note is that even countries with a lot of government, far more than we do, have the same problems and have the same problems of corruption. You have not addressed his issue at all.

Only solution is fascism.  Why don't we become fascist?  If we let private companies control the government why don't we get rid of all the wasted millions/billions on elections and turn completely fascist?  I honestly think USA would be a better nation if it was fascist.

Yep I will be in Canada by that time if that happens. I will watch as it all burns down. Yes thats what these guys don't understand, thats how hitler did things to. Got rid of all the rules and then you can just kill at will and do whatever you want.  Dump all your sh-t in the neighbors well. Whos going to stop you? No one.
So why don't we do that and see how it works out, o yea we did try that and thats why the fucking agencies started in the first place. WTF>



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sethnintendo said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
spaceguy said:

this = garbage. You full of sh-t dude.


I can back up everything I said, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it garbage.



You can back up fox news or straight opinion. I just answered there was conflict of interest and you just said that everything can be bought out. Nope if the laws where in place not allowing people from these companies to work at the agencies, this would not happen. This is like saying, people are going to get killed and raped. Why have cops.


There is no way to stop the corrutoin except to remove the ability to be corupted. The best way to do that is remopve positons of power that are not needed and do not accomplish what they set out to do. You can't ban people from working in the government who have previously worked in the private sector. No one would be able to work for the public. Also of note is that even countries with a lot of government, far more than we do, have the same problems and have the same problems of corruption. You have not addressed his issue at all.

Only solution is fascism.  Why don't we become fascist?  If we let private companies control the government why don't we get rid of all the wasted millions/billions on elections and turn completely fascist?  I honestly think USA would be a better nation if it was fascist.

No fascism is how the government is headed. Not how big it is. There is still corruption in Fascism too. Read Samuels post again he has the solution in there. Its small government. You can corrupt what isn't there. The EPA and FDA can't be bought if they dont exist. Any government will have some sort of corruption, the key is to keep government only as big as is absolutey neccessary so you limit the corruption to what is needed. Its also far easier to keep an eye on less people and less organiztions. You shouldn't let private companies control the government either. The government shouldn't need to control so many things. People are capable of looking after themselves and when they have land they will want to keep after it also. The best solution is small government, and a good set of prperty rights.



Here for you people. Give this guy a listen. www.normangoldmanshow.com. He is on in chicago at 5pm. So you figure it out. Hey time is going to change, why have time.



spaceguy said:
sethnintendo said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
spaceguy said:

this = garbage. You full of sh-t dude.


I can back up everything I said, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it garbage.



You can back up fox news or straight opinion. I just answered there was conflict of interest and you just said that everything can be bought out. Nope if the laws where in place not allowing people from these companies to work at the agencies, this would not happen. This is like saying, people are going to get killed and raped. Why have cops.


There is no way to stop the corrutoin except to remove the ability to be corupted. The best way to do that is remopve positons of power that are not needed and do not accomplish what they set out to do. You can't ban people from working in the government who have previously worked in the private sector. No one would be able to work for the public. Also of note is that even countries with a lot of government, far more than we do, have the same problems and have the same problems of corruption. You have not addressed his issue at all.

Only solution is fascism.  Why don't we become fascist?  If we let private companies control the government why don't we get rid of all the wasted millions/billions on elections and turn completely fascist?  I honestly think USA would be a better nation if it was fascist.

Yep I will be in Canada by that time if that happens. I will watch as it all burns down. Yes thats what these guys don't understand, thats how hitler did things to. Got rid of all the rules and then you can just kill at will and do whatever you want.  Dump all your sh-t in the neighbors well. Whos going to stop you? No one.
So why don't we do that and see how it works out, o yea we did try that and thats why the fucking agencies started in the first place. WTF>

Wow you really seem ot be missing the point. Hitler did not shrink the government, he increased it just as you are asking to do. We are asking the opposite, to shrink the government. But hey why not throw out the HItler argument instead of coming up with counter points. Its the best sign of a failed argument.



spaceguy said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
spaceguy said:

this = garbage. You full of sh-t dude.


I can back up everything I said, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it garbage.



You can back up fox news or straight opinion. I just answered there was conflict of interest and you just said that everything can be bought out. Nope if the laws where in place not allowing people from these companies to work at the agencies, this would not happen. This is like saying, people are going to get killed and raped. Why have cops.


There is no way to stop the corrutoin except to remove the ability to be corupted. The best way to do that is remopve positons of power that are not needed and do not accomplish what they set out to do. You can't ban people from working in the government who have previously worked in the private sector. No one would be able to work for the public. Also of note is that even countries with a lot of government, far more than we do, have the same problems and have the same problems of corruption. You have not addressed his issue at all.


Really. Go to Detroit, cross the bridge into canada. Very close right?

Well Canada takes care of there people a lot better then us. Detroit One of the murder capitals of the world, on the other side of that same city. Only a few murder in the last 30 years. Cops/FBI used to have the same problem with corruption, It takes time to make things work right. Once you get it right will look at the MOB. You don't just say. well the cops are somewhat corrupt, so no cops. There are still fires, no firefighters. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard and yes you can stop people that worked for a company like Monsanto. or however. I'm not saying the whole private sector but if your in from a massive corporations that is a conflict of interest, then yes you can. So stoping these positions of power completely, what that going to do, make it ten time worse. Do you know the results of that type of decision. No you don't. It would get way out of hand thats why we started the fucking things because it was way out of hand, people where dieing non-stop.

Um.... Spaceguy. 

I'm not sure why your using murders as a sign of courrption, but it's worth noting the Conservative party is now in power because the liberals were caught in a huge CRUSHING corruption scandal, the type of which would be unheard of here... directly funneling money to companies that were campaign doners from a government program on the gurantee that some of that money would be kicked back to the liberal party.

and the conservatives have had their own scandals since then.  The US hasn't had anything that bad on such a high scale.

I mean, I don't agree that we should get rid of "all regulations" but you literally picked one of the WORST examples possible.

By the way... I'm still waiting for your reply?  Are you going to admit you were wrong, or are you going to disagree with me and say the Paul Ryan/Bill O'Reily healthcare plan would be great for the country and not be seen as an extreme right wing plan?

Likely you thought the Swiss healthcare plan was like europe.  That with the above seems to show a pattern of you not fully researching stuff.



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thranx said:
sethnintendo said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
spaceguy said:

this = garbage. You full of sh-t dude.


I can back up everything I said, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it garbage.



You can back up fox news or straight opinion. I just answered there was conflict of interest and you just said that everything can be bought out. Nope if the laws where in place not allowing people from these companies to work at the agencies, this would not happen. This is like saying, people are going to get killed and raped. Why have cops.


There is no way to stop the corrutoin except to remove the ability to be corupted. The best way to do that is remopve positons of power that are not needed and do not accomplish what they set out to do. You can't ban people from working in the government who have previously worked in the private sector. No one would be able to work for the public. Also of note is that even countries with a lot of government, far more than we do, have the same problems and have the same problems of corruption. You have not addressed his issue at all.

Only solution is fascism.  Why don't we become fascist?  If we let private companies control the government why don't we get rid of all the wasted millions/billions on elections and turn completely fascist?  I honestly think USA would be a better nation if it was fascist.

No fascism is how the government is headed. Not how big it is. There is still corruption in Fascism too. Read Samuels post again he has the solution in there. Its small government. You can corrupt what isn't there. The EPA and FDA can't be bought if they dont exist. Any government will have some sort of corruption, the key is to keep government only as big as is absolutey neccessary so you limit the corruption to what is needed. Its also far easier to keep an eye on less people and less organiztions. You shouldn't let private companies control the government either. The government shouldn't need to control so many things. People are capable of looking after themselves and when they have land they will want to keep after it also. The best solution is small government, and a good set of prperty rights.

I can agree that some things need to be thined down but it wasn't these government agencies that broke us. It was WALL ST. So break down the defense budget, I'm all for that. So if there is a big city. slim down the police force because it can be corrupted,  You work at it until you get it right. Things are going to get corrupt with small government too. Know you just put the power in to fewer hands that have a lot of f-cking power. EPA and the FDA won't do anything if it's not there. So let the sh-t just happen> this is stupid math. I would rather have a broker system that catch's some of the sh-t, then nothing and most land owners won't catch the sh-t and if they do what are they suppost to do, shot people. Call the cops, who the cops going to call to prove it. This is just plan stupid.
You Ron Paul people don't study your history. We had this in the 1800's, it didn't work and there was way less people and a lot more land. People still died and got sick and no one gave a sh-t. You make the laws tougher. thats the answer.

You guys answer is like quiting in the middle of a math test because it's to hard. WTF!!



Hm. Sethnintendo wants my opinion on Fascism.

Which is... not positive... since it's like the exact opposite of my political viewpoint.

Though I suppose he's right in it's efficiency... no elections and regulation wise it's superior because the only regulation is "You do something wrong, we punish you." As seen by the Nazi "third way" economic plan.

No loopholes or anything... but I mean, it's fucking fascism. Anti-corruption isn't worth loss of all freedom.



thranx said:
spaceguy said:
sethnintendo said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
spaceguy said:

this = garbage. You full of sh-t dude.


I can back up everything I said, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it garbage.



You can back up fox news or straight opinion. I just answered there was conflict of interest and you just said that everything can be bought out. Nope if the laws where in place not allowing people from these companies to work at the agencies, this would not happen. This is like saying, people are going to get killed and raped. Why have cops.


There is no way to stop the corrutoin except to remove the ability to be corupted. The best way to do that is remopve positons of power that are not needed and do not accomplish what they set out to do. You can't ban people from working in the government who have previously worked in the private sector. No one would be able to work for the public. Also of note is that even countries with a lot of government, far more than we do, have the same problems and have the same problems of corruption. You have not addressed his issue at all.

Only solution is fascism.  Why don't we become fascist?  If we let private companies control the government why don't we get rid of all the wasted millions/billions on elections and turn completely fascist?  I honestly think USA would be a better nation if it was fascist.

Yep I will be in Canada by that time if that happens. I will watch as it all burns down. Yes thats what these guys don't understand, thats how hitler did things to. Got rid of all the rules and then you can just kill at will and do whatever you want.  Dump all your sh-t in the neighbors well. Whos going to stop you? No one.
So why don't we do that and see how it works out, o yea we did try that and thats why the fucking agencies started in the first place. WTF>

Wow you really seem ot be missing the point. Hitler did not shrink the government, he increased it just as you are asking to do. We are asking the opposite, to shrink the government. But hey why not throw out the HItler argument instead of coming up with counter points. Its the best sign of a failed argument.


How do you think hitler became as powerful as he was because he got rid of rules. Rules of goverment.  what about the part below.



Kasz216 said:
spaceguy said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
spaceguy said:

this = garbage. You full of sh-t dude.


I can back up everything I said, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it garbage.



You can back up fox news or straight opinion. I just answered there was conflict of interest and you just said that everything can be bought out. Nope if the laws where in place not allowing people from these companies to work at the agencies, this would not happen. This is like saying, people are going to get killed and raped. Why have cops.


There is no way to stop the corrutoin except to remove the ability to be corupted. The best way to do that is remopve positons of power that are not needed and do not accomplish what they set out to do. You can't ban people from working in the government who have previously worked in the private sector. No one would be able to work for the public. Also of note is that even countries with a lot of government, far more than we do, have the same problems and have the same problems of corruption. You have not addressed his issue at all.


Really. Go to Detroit, cross the bridge into canada. Very close right?

Well Canada takes care of there people a lot better then us. Detroit One of the murder capitals of the world, on the other side of that same city. Only a few murder in the last 30 years. Cops/FBI used to have the same problem with corruption, It takes time to make things work right. Once you get it right will look at the MOB. You don't just say. well the cops are somewhat corrupt, so no cops. There are still fires, no firefighters. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard and yes you can stop people that worked for a company like Monsanto. or however. I'm not saying the whole private sector but if your in from a massive corporations that is a conflict of interest, then yes you can. So stoping these positions of power completely, what that going to do, make it ten time worse. Do you know the results of that type of decision. No you don't. It would get way out of hand thats why we started the fucking things because it was way out of hand, people where dieing non-stop.

Um.... Spaceguy. 

I'm not sure why your using murders as a sign of courrption, but it's worth noting the Conservative party is now in power because the liberals were caught in a huge CRUSHING corruption scandal, the type of which would be unheard of here... directly funneling money to companies that were campaign doners from a government program on the gurantee that some of that money would be kicked back to the liberal party.

and the conservatives have had their own scandals since then.  The US hasn't had anything that bad on such a high scale.

I mean, I don't agree that we should get rid of "all regulations" but you literally picked one of the WORST examples possible.

By the way... I'm still waiting for your reply?  Are you going to admit you were wrong, or are you going to disagree with me and say the Paul Ryan/Bill O'Reily healthcare plan would be great for the country and not be seen as an extreme right wing plan?

Likely you thought the Swiss healthcare plan was like europe.  That with the above seems to show a pattern of you not fully researching stuff.

First, what does Conservative and Liberal even mean, NOTHING! so once you realize that we can talk.  The words only confuse and mislead people to falsehoods.

You second mistake is thinking I'm a liberal. I'm not and I would say I have views on everthing and am not going to be put into a box. Paul Ryans plan I will not agree with. i agree with single payer.



spaceguy said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
sethnintendo said:
thranx said:
spaceguy said:
SamuelRSmith said:
spaceguy said:

this = garbage. You full of sh-t dude.


I can back up everything I said, just because you don't like it, doesn't make it garbage.



You can back up fox news or straight opinion. I just answered there was conflict of interest and you just said that everything can be bought out. Nope if the laws where in place not allowing people from these companies to work at the agencies, this would not happen. This is like saying, people are going to get killed and raped. Why have cops.


There is no way to stop the corrutoin except to remove the ability to be corupted. The best way to do that is remopve positons of power that are not needed and do not accomplish what they set out to do. You can't ban people from working in the government who have previously worked in the private sector. No one would be able to work for the public. Also of note is that even countries with a lot of government, far more than we do, have the same problems and have the same problems of corruption. You have not addressed his issue at all.

Only solution is fascism.  Why don't we become fascist?  If we let private companies control the government why don't we get rid of all the wasted millions/billions on elections and turn completely fascist?  I honestly think USA would be a better nation if it was fascist.

Yep I will be in Canada by that time if that happens. I will watch as it all burns down. Yes thats what these guys don't understand, thats how hitler did things to. Got rid of all the rules and then you can just kill at will and do whatever you want.  Dump all your sh-t in the neighbors well. Whos going to stop you? No one.
So why don't we do that and see how it works out, o yea we did try that and thats why the fucking agencies started in the first place. WTF>

Wow you really seem ot be missing the point. Hitler did not shrink the government, he increased it just as you are asking to do. We are asking the opposite, to shrink the government. But hey why not throw out the HItler argument instead of coming up with counter points. Its the best sign of a failed argument.


How do you think hitler became as powerful as he was because he got rid of rules. Rules of goverment.  what about the part below. You can tell when someone starts picking apart your answer they have counter argument. Read the whole thing

Yes he did, and than he made his own rules of government.

 

I already addressed that issue. Please read my post fully. You must have missed it. I addressed it before you even brought it up.