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Jay520 said:

Michael-5 said:

It's the same engine, it's really not that different. That's like saying Halo 3 ODST is a different game from Halo 3 or Reach. It's the same engine, similar gameplay, even though your not running around like a bad ass with crazy health.

Anyway, why does everything I say PS3 related have to be contested? This isn't even a negative comment, Uncharted is a great game, and this is a really nice change of atmosphere for the engine. I like the game and this is just my opinion of it.


"It's the same engine, it's really not that different."

This is your reasoning for the games playing similarly? Well, that's just wrong. I guess you're going to say Batman is similar to Gears of War since they both use the same engine. The gameplay of TLoU and Uncharted are very different. Uncharted = intense rambo style gunfights & breathtaking platforming. TLoU = survival with a drastically lower emphasis on shooting and probably zero platforming. Why do people say they are similar? No idea.

Batman and Gears of War are made by different developers, and are different genres. Both LoU and Uncharted are cover based shooters with very similar shooting mechanics and only differ in health, ammo, and story (atmosphere, etc).


"That's like saying Halo 3 ODST is a different game from Halo 3 or Reach."

No it's not. You just mentioned three games from the same franchise. All have the same core gameplay. This doesn't apply to TLoU and Uncharted.

But Uncharted and TLoU have the same core gameplay. The shooting, cover, running system all look the same. I admit TLoU looks very different from Uncharted, but it's not that different, not different enough to put it in the same category as Beyond, as opposed to Halo (new dev) and Pikmin 3.


"It's the same engine, similar gameplay"

Ive already mentioned why engine means nothing. And I've already mentioned why their gameplay isn't different.

Yup, lol.


"Anyway, why does everything I say PS3 related have to be contested?"

I don't know. I don't care. It's irrelevant. I don't know why you brought it up. I'm not contesting what you said because it has to do with a PS3 exclusive. I'm contesting what you're saying because it's wrong.

You only say this when I say anything "bad" about PS3. What I said wasn't even negative.


You said Uncharted played a lot like TLoU. That's wrong. They may be slightly similar...maybe, but saying they have a lot of similarities is not just an exxageration, it's wrong. How exactly are they similar? Same engine. Third person view. You can shoot people. That's about all I can think of and I challenge you to give me some specific elements. (i.e. Not elements that cover entire genres).

But wait Uncharted you run around blasting stuff with regenerative health, and The Last of Us is more survival and 1 on 1 kills. Isn't that exactly the different from Halo 3 and ODST? So what you have a different universe or IP

Anyway if you want to whine about this, remember Halo 4 is made by a different developer. It's just as fresh as TLoU, so there is nothing wrong putting them in the same group. Pikmin you can argue, but you really have nothing on this.

and I did say I disliked E3 for everyone except for the bit on TLoU, Beyond, Halo, and Pikmin 3.



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@ Michael-5

"Batman and Gears of War are made by different developers, and are different genres. Both LoU and Uncharted are cover based shooters with very similar shooting mechanics and only differ in health, ammo, and story (atmosphere, etc).o

The Last of Us is not a cover-based shooter. Shooting is a much smaller element in th The Last of Us. And how do they have similar shooting mechanics? Because they both aim & shoot? It doesn't matter anyway because you won't be doing a lot of shooting in TLoU.

"But Uncharted and TLoU have the same core gameplay. The shooting, cover, running system all look the same. I admit TLoU looks very different from Uncharted, but it's not that different, not different enough to put it in the same category as Beyond, as opposed to Halo (new dev) and Pikmin 3."

No, the cover don't look the same. Uncharted uses a sticky cover, meaning you press a button and Nathan sticks his back to cover, you press the button again to get off cover. In TLoU, Joel doesn't seem to use sticky cover, it doesn't look like you need to press a button to stick to cover. Joel dynamically hides behind cover whenever he's near it AND he doesn't put his back to the cover. The only similarity in over is the fact that they both take cover. Simply having a cover system is too vague to draw any similarities.

The running system looks the same? Since when does running have to do with being a part of the core gameplay? Not to mention Uncharted singeplayer never even had a sprint button. TLoU there will be a sprint button. Again, like the cover system, the only similarity in running is the fact that they are running. This is too vague to draw any comparisons.

And about the shooting. 1.) Shooting won't be that prevalent in TLoU. 2.) Nearly every third-person shooter on the PS3 has similar shooting mechanics: Press L1 - zoom in/aim. Press R1 - Shoot. Those are the only similarities Uncharted & TLoU seem to have.

So this is your support that TLoU plays a lot like Uncharted:

1.) they both have cover systems. This is really too vague to draw any comparisons. You could say the same about Gears of War & Hitman
2.) They have similar running. This is false as Uncharted doesn't even have a sprint button. There only similarities are the fact that the character can run. This is too vague to draw any comparisons. You could say the same about any game where the character runs.
3.) They have similar shooting. The similarities in shooting between TLoU & Uncharted are as close as the similarites in shooting between any third-person shooters. This is too vague to draw any comparisons. You could say the same about any tps.

"You only say this when I say anything "bad" about PS3. What I said wasn't even negative."

Please give examples or stop spouting bullshit. I only confront you when I feel your wrong. Stop being overly-defensive and stay on point. Everything I've said to you focused strictly on the TLoU & Uncharted. Please don't mention company allegience or anything like that because it's off-topic and stupid.

I'll say this again.

Uncharted = shootouts consisting of killing dozens of enemies at a time, going against insane odds, having supernatural rehealing abilities, doing crazy jumps, platforming, with the occasional stealth.

The Last Of Us = Rarely shooting, being very evenly matched with enemies, yet still vaulnerable, having the option to go through a level without killing anyone.

And you say it plays (a lot) like Uncharted because: they both have cover systems; you can run in both of them; and they both allow you to shoot from a third-person angle.


You are wrong.



DP



Michael-5 said:
Wow.... never would I get this if I said Gears of War looked stupid and I'm not excited for it because it's being made by the makers of BulletStorm....

Guess it's just stupid not to blindly love anything PS3, even WonderBook.


Please stop this or I'm going to report you. Never once did I imply any fanboyism in my posts. There is no way anyone could deduce that my response was fueled by any form of console allegience, besides your own deep subconsious paranoia that anyone whom disagrees with you is picking with you.

Jay520 said:
@ Michael-5


You are wrong.

Lol, opinions can be wrong, wow.

Bet if I said Sony Battle Royal looks like Smash Bros I would be very very wrong as well.

Bet if I said any PS3 exclusive looks like some other franchise I would be wrong too.

Geez man, don't quote me whenever you disagree with my opinion, just say you disagree.

 

P.S. I never said you were a fanboy, I was just pointing out you only tell me off when I say something you don't agree with about PS3 games.



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Michael-5 said:
Wow.... never would I get this if I said Gears of War looked stupid and I'm not excited for it because it's being made by the makers of BulletStorm....

Guess it's just stupid not to blindly love anything PS3, even WonderBook.


ok wonderbook was just fucking awful. cant believe they actually spent 15 minutes on that thing.



Michael-5 said:
Jay520 said:
@ Michael-5


You are wrong.

Lol, opinions can be wrong, wow.

Bet if I said Sony Battle Royal looks like Smash Bros I would be very very wrong as well.

Bet if I said any PS3 exclusive looks like some other franchise I would be wrong too.

Geez man, don't quote me whenever you disagree with my opinion, just say you disagree.

 

P.S. I never said you were a fanboy, I was just pointing out you only tell me off when I say something you don't agree with about PS3 games.



This isn't a matter of opinions. You said TLoU plays a lot like Uncharted. It doesn't. So you were wrong.

"Bet if I said Sony Battle Royal looks like Smash Bros I would be very very wrong as well."

You would be right if you said that.

"Bet if I said any PS3 exclusive looks like some other franchise I would be wrong too."

depends on the franchises.

"P.S. I never said you were a fanboy, I was just pointing out you only tell me off when I say something you don't agree with about PS3"

What's your point? I only tell you off whenever I see you say something wrong. I don't hang out in Nintendo & Microsoft threads a lot, so I don't have the oppurtunity to see you say anything wrong concerning those respective consoles. If I happen to see you say something wrong, then I'm going to correct you. That's it. I don't care that you're talking about PS3 exclusives.

SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Michael-5 said:


Guess it's just stupid not to blindly love anything PS3, even WonderBook.


ok wonderbook was just fucking awful. cant believe they actually spent 15 minutes on that thing.

I was skimming through to look for the good stuff and yea, that really shocked me. MS and Sony are dedicating too much time to motion games.



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Jay520 said:
Michael-5 said:
Jay520 said:
@ Michael-5


You are wrong.

Lol, opinions can be wrong, wow.

Bet if I said Sony Battle Royal looks like Smash Bros I would be very very wrong as well.

Bet if I said any PS3 exclusive looks like some other franchise I would be wrong too.

Geez man, don't quote me whenever you disagree with my opinion, just say you disagree.

 

P.S. I never said you were a fanboy, I was just pointing out you only tell me off when I say something you don't agree with about PS3 games.



This isn't a matter of opinions. You said TLoU plays a lot like Uncharted. It doesn't. So you were wrong.

"Bet if I said Sony Battle Royal looks like Smash Bros I would be very very wrong as well."

You would be right if you said that.

"Bet if I said any PS3 exclusive looks like some other franchise I would be wrong too."

depends on the franchises.

"P.S. I never said you were a fanboy, I was just pointing out you only tell me off when I say something you don't agree with about PS3"

What's your point? I only tell you off whenever I see you say something wrong. I don't hang out in Nintendo & Microsoft threads a lot, so I don't have the oppurtunity to see you say anything wrong concerning those respective consoles. If I happen to see you say something wrong, then I'm going to correct you. That's it. I don't care that you're talking about PS3 exclusives.

To me the gameplay looks similar, the main difference is the atmosphere. Saying it looks like Uncharted I think would be incorrect because the changes in ammo supply, atmosphere, etc makes the game look very different.

You can't be wrong on opinion Jay, but you can disagree. You don't have to throw a fit when someone says something you disagree with.



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This is going to be my last response to you, Michael. I've already proved that TLoU does not play a lot like Uncharted. You're just too stubborn to accept that you were wrong.

P.S. Opinions can be wrong if they don't make sense.