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Forums - Gaming - Rumour: SEGA Europe to close local offices, to stop making AAA console games, last one to be Creative Assembly game

Ronster316 on 03 June 2012

"that corporations" fans on here think that the sun shines out of their backsides.

Maybe you should look more in to what they had to say about gaming before they entered the fray.

Again......... it sickens me, those chancers are the least deserving "success story" that i have ever come across in any business.



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Ronster316 on 03 June 2012
Dgc1808 said:
Ronster316 said:
Darc Requiem said:
Ronster316 said:
Darc Requiem said:
Ronster316 said:
Sickening............. a TRUE gaming company struggling like this, those of you who had the opportunity to support SEGA back in the day, but went with corporations who at the time didn't give a shit about games should be ashamed of yourselves. (you KNOW which corporation i am referring to)


Sega's current situation is completely of their own doing. Sega created some of the best games in world. They had the debatably the best development teams and had the most versastile development teams. At one point in time Sega made some of the best games in every genre. That said as talented as their developers were, their coporate leaders was just as incompetent. If Sega had even average business leaders running the show, they'd still be developing games on their own console hardware.


Sure......... and "that" corporations advertising & financial muscle played no part whatsoever in SEGA's demise did it? tut tut tut.

Yes it was all Sony's fault. They secretly infiltrated the company before they even had a hardware platform and through undue influence caused Sega to make one boneheaded decision after another. They were responsible for the abject failure of the Mega Drive in Japan. They were the reason that it finished a distant third behind Nintendo and NEC. They forced Sega to release add ons like the Sega CD and 32X . Add ons that lowered consumer and retailer confidence in Sega's brand in North America.  They forced Sega to fight a patent infringement claim that cost Sega 43 million dollars when the patent holder only asked for 7 million dollar licensing fee. A fee that all other platform makes (Nintendo, Atari, 3DO company, etc.) paid. They made Sega launch the Saturn early in the North  America so that they'd anger retailers and third party developers. Also this secret Sony shadow board of directors forced Sega to kill the Saturn early in Japan. Eventhough both retailers and third parties asked them not to because of it was a strong second place in the region. It was this grand Emperor Palpatine like plan that lead to the Dreamcast launching with Sega 2 billion in debt along with 3rd parties, retailers, and consumers  all either angry or unconfident in the platforms chances of success.


I have been over this many times.............. EVERY company makes a few bad decisioins, however, SEGA did not have BILLIONS of dollars at their disposal to cover up their mistakes like certain "corporations" do.

No "that corporation"= more people buy a Saturn and mistakes are overlooked.

For you to suggest that it's purely SEGA's fault is just pure wrong.

It's even more angering for me because "thats corporations" execs even stated that they look down upon gaming before "that corporation" joined the gaming business.

"that corporation" are a bunch of god damn chancers............ end of.


9/10. Hilarious post.


Another wise guy huh.............

Let me guess........... a fan of "that corporation"?



Ronster316 on 03 June 2012

@ axumblade, fair enough, i'll leave the thread.



Jay520 on 03 June 2012

Good. They don't need to make AAA games. They can focus on digital, mobile, & PC. It should be a lot less risky & quality won't take a huge blow.



Xxain on 03 June 2012

Ronster - Regardless of how you feel about the past, that has no bearing on this future. SEGA is still making bad choices.

Where are the games that made SEGA who they are? arguably the best developer at their peak.

Wheres:

Shinobi
A real Shining
Vector Man
A real Golden Ax
Streets of Rage
Nights a quality one
Panzoor Dragoon
Why is Sonic 4 meh in compared to the OG trilogy
Super Hang on
Alex the Kidd
Billy Hatcher
Virtual Fighter
Crazy Taxi
Skies of Arcadia
ext

Where is SEGA?

Why are they allowing these terrible ass low quality games by these loser developers to be made?

Why did secret Level get the green light for Golden Ax

Why has streets of Rage been attempted 4 times by everybody but SEGA

Why was Shinobi handed of to some meh developer and not given a proper budget

What is SEGA doing now ... not over 10 years ago.



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Darc Requiem on 03 June 2012
Ronster316 said:
Darc Requiem said:
Ronster316 said:
Darc Requiem said:
Ronster316 said:
Sickening............. a TRUE gaming company struggling like this, those of you who had the opportunity to support SEGA back in the day, but went with corporations who at the time didn't give a shit about games should be ashamed of yourselves. (you KNOW which corporation i am referring to)


Sega's current situation is completely of their own doing. Sega created some of the best games in world. They had the debatably the best development teams and had the most versastile development teams. At one point in time Sega made some of the best games in every genre. That said as talented as their developers were, their coporate leaders was just as incompetent. If Sega had even average business leaders running the show, they'd still be developing games on their own console hardware.


Sure......... and "that" corporations advertising & financial muscle played no part whatsoever in SEGA's demise did it? tut tut tut.

Yes it was all Sony's fault. They secretly infiltrated the company before they even had a hardware platform and through undue influence caused Sega to make one boneheaded decision after another. They were responsible for the abject failure of the Mega Drive in Japan. They were the reason that it finished a distant third behind Nintendo and NEC. They forced Sega to release add ons like the Sega CD and 32X . Add ons that lowered consumer and retailer confidence in Sega's brand in North America.  They forced Sega to fight a patent infringement claim that cost Sega 43 million dollars when the patent holder only asked for 7 million dollar licensing fee. A fee that all other platform makes (Nintendo, Atari, 3DO company, etc.) paid. They made Sega launch the Saturn early in the North  America so that they'd anger retailers and third party developers. Also this secret Sony shadow board of directors forced Sega to kill the Saturn early in Japan. Eventhough both retailers and third parties asked them not to because of it was a strong second place in the region. It was this grand Emperor Palpatine like plan that lead to the Dreamcast launching with Sega 2 billion in debt along with 3rd parties, retailers, and consumers  all either angry or unconfident in the platforms chances of success.


I have been over this many times.............. EVERY company makes a few bad decisioins, however, SEGA did not have BILLIONS of dollars at their disposal to cover up their mistakes like certain "corporations" do.

No "that corporation"= more people buy a Saturn and mistakes are overlooked.

For you to suggest that it's purely SEGA's fault is just pure wrong.

It's even more angering for me because "thats corporations" execs even stated that they look down upon gaming before "that corporation" joined the gaming business.

"that corporation" are a bunch of god damn chancers............ end of.


This is my last time addressing you on the matter.  The fact that you can't even type Sony is rather disturbing. Sega didn't make a "few" mistakes. They made several and those decision alienated developers, retailers, and consumers on globablly and left them in serious debt. That debt actually resulted in the Dreamcast having half the RAM and only one PowerVR2 gpu instead of two. Sega of Japan wanted the DC to retail for $249 in the US, so they could make a profit on each unit at launch. Bernie Stolar ignored them and sold the console at $199 further adding to Sega's dire straights. They canned him but he damage was done. I'm not a fan of Sony. They are my least favorite console maker. However the truth is the truth. Sega shot it self in the foot for two decades. Whether it be MS, Panasonic, or some other random mega corporation that entered the fifth gen, Sega was going to fail.

Sega continues to make mistake after mistake as a third party developer. During the fifth gen, their games sold best on the Gamecube and the worst on the Xbox. Yet Sega put several of their titles on Xbox and they promptly tanked. They "window seated" Yu Suzuki. The most talented guy in the company and they brushed him aside. They gave control of the Sonic franchise to Yuji Naka and despite what the game media says. He did NOT creat Sonic the Hedgehog. There were three people behind Sonic the Hedgehog. True Naka was the head programmer, but Hirokazu Yasuhara was the one responsible for the gameplay and level design. Naoto Oshima was responsible for the original character design. They merged with Sammy,  reorganized or shuttered most of their best dev teams, and started getting away from what was the strength, their own internally developed IPs.

In short, Sega continues to be poorly run. The difference is they are no longer the most versatile and talented developer in gaming. You used to be able to buy Sega games sight unseen and know they'd be quality. That no longer is the case. It's damned shame because the best time in gaming for me was having Nintendo and Sega consoles plugged into my TV and having two companies that cared about gaming churn out some of the best software imaginable. And before someone says it, yes they were businesses out to make money. The difference was Sega and Nintendo were gaming companies, so the games were their focus.



mootap on 03 June 2012

So I'm guessing Nintendo won...



AndrewWK on 03 June 2012
pezus said:
AndrewWK said:
teigaga said:
AndrewWK said:
What AAA games does Sega have? I don´t Vanquish or Bayonetta are AAA.


neither of those were created by sega,  sega publihed them. those games were by platinum which are a japanese team


I am aware of that. But what AAA titles has Sega?

Console? Yakuza, Valkyria Chronicles (but not Sega Europe)

PC: Football Manager, Total War

Valkyria Chronicles was an AAA game? I don´t believe that, neither was Total War, the other two perhaps.



mootap on 03 June 2012
AndrewWK said:
pezus said:
AndrewWK said:
teigaga said:
AndrewWK said:
What AAA games does Sega have? I don´t Vanquish or Bayonetta are AAA.


neither of those were created by sega,  sega publihed them. those games were by platinum which are a japanese team


I am aware of that. But what AAA titles has Sega?

Console? Yakuza, Valkyria Chronicles (but not Sega Europe)

PC: Football Manager, Total War

Valkyria Chronicles was an AAA game? I don´t believe that, neither was Total War, the other two perhaps.


Isn't triple a only mean of production value of a game rather than it's quality.



AndrewWK on 03 June 2012
mootap said:
AndrewWK said:
pezus said:
AndrewWK said:
teigaga said:
AndrewWK said:
What AAA games does Sega have? I don´t Vanquish or Bayonetta are AAA.


neither of those were created by sega,  sega publihed them. those games were by platinum which are a japanese team


I am aware of that. But what AAA titles has Sega?

Console? Yakuza, Valkyria Chronicles (but not Sega Europe)

PC: Football Manager, Total War

Valkyria Chronicles was an AAA game? I don´t believe that, neither was Total War, the other two perhaps.


Isn't triple a only mean of production value of a game rather than it's quality.

For what I know an AAA game is a game with a big budget, and I don´t think Valkyira Chronicles had such a big Budget