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crissindahouse said:
leatherhat said:
crissindahouse said:
leatherhat said:
Deporting criminal immigrants is pretty much exactly what the government should do

that's what native americans thought as well but it didn't work


And it turned out very well for them


it's the same logic, just saying...and it turned out well for them? uhh yeah i bet they liked to get killed lol


Thats a little bit of sarcasm right there. And I doubt this Italian guy has otherworldly diseases that will rip through our fragile American immune systems.



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Zim said:

To address adinniken. That isn't strict of the UK at all. In fact I think nearly all MEDC's would do the exact same thing, yes even America. It's your own fault for when entering a country for a holiday stating that you are going to look for work. In most countries it is okay to enter on a holiday visa then if you by chance find work stay (although often it is required to simply briefly leave and then return on the new visa). So many people enter countries on holiday visas already knowing they will look for work/ have it lined up. However I thought every single person in the world knew that this is not something you mention to immigration. I remember a friend of mine going to Japan already knowing he had a job lined up, but on a holiday visa as they were going to do the visa on his arrival. When asked why he was visiting simply stated ''Holiday''. 

Not only this but the people you seem to be lumping in the same boat of the Uk was too strict did even worse things. Illegally overstaying the period allowed in your visa and breaking the terms needed for that visa are MAJOR issues in every country. 

The last group were coming to the country to work and wanted to get let in on a holiday visa..... what did they expect? It sounds like you know a lot of idiots. 

I would love for you as a foreigner to try and enter the US doing any of the above. Enter on a holiday but tell immigration you want a job, overstay your visa, break the terms of your visa etc. You would be deported. 

Oh and a good example of how the US is 'relaxed'. The BBC program Top Gear occasionally film there under a visa that is for filming documentaries - what the show is classed as. On returning to America one time they were informed that they would only be allowed into the country if the show was less entertainment and more documentary this time around. 

It was my first trip.  I was trying to quantify my length of visit, because it was longer than a typical holiday.  I had flights already scheduled and paid for my return trip.  Non-refundable, non-transferable tickets.  I wasn't illegally overstaying, they denied my entry because they feared it.

As for the others, with the exception of the one person who actually did all the right things, he was even still in school, but somebody somewhere at the school he was at didn't follow through with their responsibilities by the time he was aware of it, it turned out to be too late.  I know someone here in the states who basically had the same thing happen, she's still here after 20+ years, owns her own business, has kids, a home, etc.

The musicians, it wasn't their fault.  It was the fault of the promoter in the UK.  He was responsible for them having the right paper work for entry and admitted so to them.  The UK also doesn't require a work visa, it requires an entertainer (actor/artist/musician) visa. 

The US does not require a visa for holiday or work, as long as the stay is less than 90 days.  Again, we are a wee bit less strict than the UK.  I would have been permitted in the US based on what I told the border agent.

My guess on Top Gear is they were concerned about the insurance, but ridiculous is ridiculous.  If the show had a visa, then they should have been permitted without being stopped.  If they came without a visa, it's still legal for them to work in the US for 90 days or less, so again they shouldn't have been stopped.

I don't think the UK is evil, or mean, but they are more strict than the US.  Trust me.  Even the border agents told me the laws had been tightened.  It had nothing to do with 9/11, but everything to do with the UKs desire to keep people from staying. 

I don't begrudge my captors, they were exceptionally nice people, but I would have preferred the opportunity to have my planned holiday.  I did actually get to meet an honest to God Welshmen who spoke in a strong Welsh accent.  None of that movie-type of Welsh.  Admittedly, I'm glad I met him cause I didn't know what real Welsh was.  Now I understand better how similar the Celtic people of the British Isles are. 



Hey, why don't USA send us back some physicists and engineers instead? Haven't we already enough problems? Anyway, no-profit organizations that help poor people and people with problems like him are Caritas and Community of Sant'Egidio for relief, Community of San Patrignano for detox, rehab and learn a work, and Knights of Malta can provide medical care until his citizenship situation gets clear.



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"I understand that a Mexican who comes up here and is deported for breaking the law. That makes sense because he has a home there, speaks the language, and all the other perks you get from living in a country for most of your life. But my GF's Brother is basically an American."

You understand wrong. It doesn't make sense.



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Its a crappy situation but... lets just blame the parents.



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why doesn't he marry your sister, can't you become a U.S citizen that way?



spurgeonryan said:
thranx said:
spurgeonryan said:
Well we have really no sympathy for him either, but he is still family. Sent him with some money, and she went and said goodbye to him. The question is should this be allowed? Just going to go over there and be a burden on the Italian government. Like I said , any Italian that he speaks is just a little here and there that he learned from his parents. Which will most likely be totally different than how Native Italians speak.

Also the Lawyers said there was little chance that anything could be done if we did pay 1500 dollars or more for his time.


considering he had many options to avoid this, yes it should be allowed. He could of done many things to avoid this and CHOSE not too. I certainly believe people should be able to make their own choices. How old is he?

He is 35.

But this could happen even with someone who gets in trouble once. Technically they could have thrown him out the first time around. You guys are saying that even if you know nothing of the country, you should just be shipped back. Has kids here, family, speaks English, has a construction company that has been kept open by his sons, etc. You are saying that in this situation the American Government should deport someone?

 

Also he was just sleeping in the Van.

Yes.

Avoiding being caught for a long time isn't proper reason to avoid executing the law.

Guy had a lot of chances.

It sucks... sure.  You can't just make allowances for people who go out of there way to not do things though.



Alby_da_Wolf said:
Hey, why don't USA send us back some physicists and engineers instead? Haven't we already enough problems? Anyway, no-profit organizations that help poor people and people with problems like him are Caritas and Community of Sant'Egidio for relief, Community of San Patrignano for detox, rehab and learn a work, and Knights of Malta can provide medical care until his citizenship situation gets clear.


The US does this all the time.  It's actually quite the controversy here that we don't let visiting students stay once they graduate.  You can't really get a job if your an illegal alien enginner.  (Which is also why the California Dream act and other acts allowing illegal immigrants college educations are just stupid.)



Kasz216 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Hey, why don't USA send us back some physicists and engineers instead? Haven't we already enough problems? Anyway, no-profit organizations that help poor people and people with problems like him are Caritas and Community of Sant'Egidio for relief, Community of San Patrignano for detox, rehab and learn a work, and Knights of Malta can provide medical care until his citizenship situation gets clear.


The US does this all the time.  It's actually quite the controversy here that we don't let visiting students stay once they graduate.  You can't really get a job if your an illegal alien enginner.  (Which is also why the California Dream act and other acts allowing illegal immigrants college educations are just stupid.)

Yes, I guessed it was so unnecessarily convoluted.    Anyway in this case I meant those graduated here in Italy and emigrated.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
Kasz216 said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
Hey, why don't USA send us back some physicists and engineers instead? Haven't we already enough problems? Anyway, no-profit organizations that help poor people and people with problems like him are Caritas and Community of Sant'Egidio for relief, Community of San Patrignano for detox, rehab and learn a work, and Knights of Malta can provide medical care until his citizenship situation gets clear.


The US does this all the time.  It's actually quite the controversy here that we don't let visiting students stay once they graduate.  You can't really get a job if your an illegal alien enginner.  (Which is also why the California Dream act and other acts allowing illegal immigrants college educations are just stupid.)

Yes, I guessed it was so unnecessarily convoluted.    Anyway in this case I meant those graduated here in Italy and emigrated.

That's actually quite interesting, because the faculty of mechanical engineering at mcgill has 4 italians. 
As an italo-canadian, I've got to say I'm quite sad at how bad I've heard they are at teaching... you can have em back :P

We'll trade you 4 engineers for spurgeonryan's gf's boyfriend and some homemade canoli. :P