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Runa216 said:
outlawauron said:

Yeah, Runa. I'm not seeing where you can go anti-religion with this here. There's nothing to go on, and comments like that are just silly.

*shrugs*  I just think religion should keep its nose out of government.  It's a pretty old-timey issue, and the fact that they basically banned shariah law from being practiced is, in my opinion, a step in the right direction. I stand by my statement. 

Religion's involvement is dwarfed by special interests control of what governments do these days. I don't think anyone can actually say that there isn't a divide of church and state. This law that they passed does nothing new, as mentioned above.



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outlawauron said:
Runa216 said:
outlawauron said:

Yeah, Runa. I'm not seeing where you can go anti-religion with this here. There's nothing to go on, and comments like that are just silly.

*shrugs*  I just think religion should keep its nose out of government.  It's a pretty old-timey issue, and the fact that they basically banned shariah law from being practiced is, in my opinion, a step in the right direction. I stand by my statement. 

Religion's involvement is dwarfed by special interests control of what governments do these days. I don't think anyone can actually say that there isn't a divide of church and state. This law that they passed does nothing new, as mentioned above.

It really depends on what state you're in.  I know a few folks in alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee that say that Religion basically controls the world there.  If you're not religious, you're shunned, and even sometimes ostracized by the police.  (I think that's a little farfetched, but it's a story I've been told.)  That, and we all know politicians cater to the religious and give them all sorts of nifty freedoms and abilities that they wouldn't normally be given if they didn't have the "freedom of religion" clause.  



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Runa216 said:
outlawauron said:
Runa216 said:
outlawauron said:

Yeah, Runa. I'm not seeing where you can go anti-religion with this here. There's nothing to go on, and comments like that are just silly.

*shrugs*  I just think religion should keep its nose out of government.  It's a pretty old-timey issue, and the fact that they basically banned shariah law from being practiced is, in my opinion, a step in the right direction. I stand by my statement. 

Religion's involvement is dwarfed by special interests control of what governments do these days. I don't think anyone can actually say that there isn't a divide of church and state. This law that they passed does nothing new, as mentioned above.

It really depends on what state you're in.  I know a few folks in alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee that say that Religion basically controls the world there.  If you're not religious, you're shunned, and even sometimes ostracized by the police.  (I think that's a little farfetched, but it's a story I've been told.)  That, and we all know politicians cater to the religious and give them all sorts of nifty freedoms and abilities that they wouldn't normally be given if they didn't have the "freedom of religion" clause.  

And as I said, special interest groups get far more attention than any religious organization. It's not even a valid comparison.

 

In addition to that, I live far deeper in the so-called "Bible Belt", and I think that's absolutely ridiculous. Never have I experienced anyone for being shunned for their faith or lack thereof. Especially considering the extended outreach that most churches and like, shunned is probably the last thing I would describe it as. Family disagreements happen, but that has less to do with location and more to do with worldwide parenting.



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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

If this law is supposed to stop Muslims from living and acting from the Islamic laws, then it is indeed pointless.

We made a very recent survey here in Sweden. Dressed as vulnerable muslim wives, women would go to several mosques and ask their lead imams different questions based on their imaginary scenario:

- What should I do now that my husband wants to marry another woman?
- My husband sometimes beat me and force me to have sex with him, should I go to the police?

Only ONE out of TEN imams (who represent the entire Muslim population in their respective communities) recommended that the women should go to the police, despite these obvious violations of our laws. SIX out of TEN told them not to go to the police.

Before this survey, the same investigators openly asked the very same imams the same questions in front of a camera. Then they obviously said things like "Of course the thought of a man having more than one wife in the Swedish society is absurd. Men and female are entirely equal."


I can't know for sure if this 9/10 number applies to the rest of our Muslim population (and it probably doesn't), but it's a good indicator of how dangerous this religion can be due to its suppression of having your own interpretations of the Koran.

What does this survey have to do with banning Islamic law, or Islamic law at all? Also, 9/10? You only talked about 7. What did the other 3 Imams say?



Mr Khan said:
unnecessary reactionary redneck boondoggle.

Pretty much. This "bill" doesn't achieve anything as US law already gets precedence over Islamic or any other third party laws and it blatantly singles out a specific group. Racism isn't the correct word to describe this but it certainly hints for unnecessary phobia.



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Cirio said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

If this law is supposed to stop Muslims from living and acting from the Islamic laws, then it is indeed pointless.

We made a very recent survey here in Sweden. Dressed as vulnerable muslim wives, women would go to several mosques and ask their lead imams different questions based on their imaginary scenario:

- What should I do now that my husband wants to marry another woman?
- My husband sometimes beat me and force me to have sex with him, should I go to the police?

Only ONE out of TEN imams (who represent the entire Muslim population in their respective communities) recommended that the women should go to the police, despite these obvious violations of our laws. SIX out of TEN told them not to go to the police.

Before this survey, the same investigators openly asked the very same imams the same questions in front of a camera. Then they obviously said things like "Of course the thought of a man having more than one wife in the Swedish society is absurd. Men and female are entirely equal."


I can't know for sure if this 9/10 number applies to the rest of our Muslim population (and it probably doesn't), but it's a good indicator of how dangerous this religion can be due to its suppression of having your own interpretations of the Koran.

What does this survey have to do with banning Islamic law, or Islamic law at all? Also, 9/10? You only talked about 7. What did the other 3 Imams say?


I talked about all of them. The remaining three obviously said that whether they should go to the police depends on the situation (which is wrong given how he obviously had commited crimes).

My overall point was that banning islamic laws won't solve anything. The issues will still be there.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Cirio said:

What does this survey have to do with banning Islamic law, or Islamic law at all? Also, 9/10? You only talked about 7. What did the other 3 Imams say?


I talked about all of them. The remaining three obviously said that whether they should go to the police depends on the situation (which is wrong given how he obviously had commited crimes).

My overall point was that banning islamic laws won't solve anything. The issues will still be there.

But how is this an example of Islamic law or the "issues" surrounding it? What are the issues? The women are protected under Swedish law and can easily go to a Swedish court or get outside help since Islamic law doesn't get the priority. Also, what specifically did the 6 Imams who advised not to go to the police say? Did they give the women advice? Did they tell them how to mend the relationship or get outside help from family/friends or did they just say "don't go to the police" and ignore their concerns (which I find hard to believe)?



Cirio said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

I talked about all of them. The remaining three obviously said that whether they should go to the police depends on the situation (which is wrong given how he obviously had commited crimes).

My overall point was that banning islamic laws won't solve anything. The issues will still be there.

But how is this an example of Islamic law or the "issues" surrounding it? What are the issues? The women are protected under Swedish law and can easily go to a Swedish court or get outside help since Islamic law doesn't get the priority. Also, what specifically did the 6 Imams who advised not to go to the police say? Did they give the women advice? Did they tell them how to mend the relationship or get outside help from family/friends or did they just say "don't go to the police" and ignore their concerns (which I find hard to believe)?

You need to seriously think about the bolded. If the women have a strong faith then they would rather listen to a religious Imam than some Swedish laws. Those Imams said that it was the womens' fault that their husbands hit them and wanted to marry others. They also told them that according to Islamic tradition, it is perfectly fine for them to do so, and that it is their duty to sexually please their husbands (despite the fact that they'd already told the Imams about how they were forced to have sex).

The "issues" is that 9/10 Imams (which also indicates a majority of muslims overall) are willing to put their religious laws before the country's. And thus, banning their religious laws obviously won't help.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

You need to seriously think about the bolded. If the women have a strong faith then they would rather listen to a religious Imam than some Swedish laws. Those Imams said that it was the womens' fault that their husbands hit them and wanted to marry others. They also told them that according to Islamic tradition, it is perfectly fine for them to do so, and that it is their duty to sexually please their husbands (despite the fact that they'd already told the Imams about how they were forced to have sex).

The "issues" is that 9/10 Imams (which also indicates a majority of muslims overall) are willing to put their religious laws before the country's. And thus, banning their religious laws obviously won't help.

Huh, if that is what the Imams said, then I'm surprised there hasn't been disapproval by the public (especially the Muslim population) in a country like Sweden. The only Islamic "tradition" where this type of sexual repression of women is observed is in dissuaded populations of poor countries where women and children are (in general) given unequal recognition. So in a liberal country like Sweden, I wouldn't expect this kind of Imams to still have their jobs after this news went public (even in the Muslim population). I feel sorry for the women because what the Imams said was wrong and not representive of Islamic values. Nevertheless, this discussion is going off topic and you've answered my question so thanks.



So... to anyone who lives in Kansas, is there any sort of large Islamic population in Kansas?