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Forums - Politics - Wow, Uncle Duke was WAY ahead of the curve in regarding the "Fat Tax"!

sethnintendo said:
mrstickball said:
sethnintendo said:
SamuelRSmith said:
How about just ending all the subsidies for corn? That saves money, makes people healthier, and appeases me.


They should subsidize fruits and veggies (the good ones aka not corn which is turned into high fructose corn syrup).  Something is terribly wrong when you can buy 1000+ calories for 1 - 2 dollars of junk food / fast food yet have to spend way more money on what we should be eating in the first place.  The USA food system completely sucks and it is pretty obvious that corporations have led the USA diet to shit while profiting off of junk food that fatties can't resist.

You don't need to do that.

The vast, VAST, majority of subsidies go towards corn and dairy. You remove them, and the price of meat, dairy and cheese goes up. Therefore, by default, the other veggies are going to be significantly cheaper.

Oh, and the government saves billions, rather than spends them.

My line of thinking wasn't that good on that response.  I failed to realize your train of thought.  Your option would have the same results with no government money needed.

I want people to start eating healthier foods.  However, you might as well put a gun to most overweight people's head because they won't eat healthy.  I see most of the overweight people at my job eating terrible everyday while I bring a big container of fruit and a few crackers (I eat my main meals at home).  They are content on being fat because if they weren't then they would at least bring in something healthy to eat everyday. 

i think the thing with fast food and eating out is more that people simply do not want to prepare food. Its a hassle for them (or they think it is).  I buy alot more fresh food than i used to and I don't really spend any more money. I also cut out fast food to save money.



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spurgeonryan said:
@ stickball or hutnick (I always mix you two up)

There are a few good shows, but monty is 40 years old, red dwarf is on its last bit of energy, and the British seem to dislike Matt Smith even though he is great. My first episode ever was the pandorica opens, so that oz probably why He is mu favorite.

So they do not have much.
How many stations are in England?

Weird (By the way, it is richardhutnik, and Hutnik is the last name.  I find that any professional attempting to do work for me, who can't get my last name right, will usually not do a good job).

I am a bit perplexed how you can get Mr. Stickball confused with me.  I do have Libertarian and Anarchist leanings, but my posting history on here had someone send me a private message that I need to continue the fight for Socialism, or Communism, or some sort of governmental cradle to grave state.  I don't think anyone would confuse Mr. Stickball with that one.

As far as who you are addressing, it is veryly likely me in regards to BBC programming.  I personally find the tax stupid, but I do like British comedies.  If I was in the UK, I likely wouldn't have to pay it at all.  I am a person who picked Internet access over cable.



Oh and for the short version.

Liberals - Should be against the fat tax because it's regressive. The poor being more likely to eat unhealthy and the tax being flat means they by far will pay more of this tax.

Conservatives - Should be against this tax because it's essentially government telling you what to eat.



Kasz216 said:
Oh and for the short version.

Liberals - Should be against the fat tax because it's regressive. The poor being more likely to eat unhealthy and the tax being flat means they by far will pay more of this tax.

Conservatives - Should be against this tax because it's essentially government telling you what to eat.

Well, I believe it is more like a Libertarian leaning individual is against government telling you what to eat.  A social conservative, like Mike Huckabee, would possibly approve of it (Huckabee did make a push for weight loss and healthy weight while governor).  Social conservatives believe that the government has a role and policing personal behavior of individuals.   There libertarian-conservative fusion will end up believing heavily in there being a very strong link between personal behavior and outcome in life.  This means tougher on crime, tougher on rogue nations, and punishing those who deviate from optimal behaviors and not punishing the successful.  It is a common ground between both, usually having the word "freedom" wrapped around it.  You see this repeatedly pop up in heated forum talk where the poor are branded as lazy loser who need to get jobs, because there is a strong belief that everyone gets what they deserve in life.  You see the likes of Sean Hannity, for example, who sincerely believes anyone can be successful and rich in America, no excuses, if they just work hard and smart enough.  America in this is seen as a land of opportunity that rewards the competent and successful.  It is NOT about making sure the disadvantage also get ahead.

So, as a result, you can end up getting the other end where you do get taxes raised on less healthy foods.  The compromise means you end up giving more money to the poor so they can afford to buy new food.  Heck, the tax on corn syrup may end up being given back to those who grow the corn to begin with, to get the bill pass through congress.



Liberals want to ban unhealthy foods because they're bad for you. Conservatives hate that.

Conservatives want to ban drugs because they're bad for you. Liberals hate that.