I hope it's a tactical thinking-type shooter. We have enough arcadey, reflex-based, mindless shooters around already.

Maybe Microsoft has acquired the recently shut down Zipper Interactive?

It's a simple argument really which should've ended long ago. The poor guy believes Gears of War is first party. 

I didn't derail it, I was responding to two other people who were arguing over the matter. Publishing doesn't mean first party anyone who is smart should know that. It's only first party if the intellectual property is owned by the publisher and is made by its in house company. He's spreading disinformation dude and other people who don't know the difference just might start to believe it. I think most of the people on this site are smarter than that and have learn the difference between a first, second and third party in their economics classes and the role of publishers.

Then Microsoft must be coo-coo since they introduced it as a first party game when it was announced at X05. That would explain why it never showed up on any other console wouldn't it.

Yes. ZERO! If Microsoft publishes an Xbox 360 game -whether its internally developed or not -  it's part of their first party lineup. After all, if Microsoft isn't the first party to Xbox consoles, please tell us who exactly is? Valve?

Nope, they were third party while Sony published their games as part of SCE's first party lineup. They stopped being third party when Sony purchased them, there's no interim. Second party is a pointless term because it still acknowledges (according to the very bad "definition" you provided, that the developer is still  third party and even if it didn't, Naughty Dog could not have been second party if they wanted to, they had already made games for other platforms and publishers.

Uh yes, that is exatly what it means if the pulisher is Microsoft on Xbox, Sony on Playstation and Nintendo on their systems.

So you are saying that despite the fact it was made by Sony Online Entertainment and was published by Sony Computer entertainment, DC Universe online is not a Sony first party game because Warner Bros. own DC comics? You should probably tell Jack Tretton, because he announced it as one. Coo-coo.

Says the guy trying to convince us that Epic only have a 2 no 3 no 4 game deal wit M$ and it's OVA!

Well let's ask Remedy who own the Alan Wake IP

"Second-party is not a commonly used term, at least we don't really use it typically at Remedy. I think we talk about Alan Wake (Xbox) being a first party title. Alan Wake PC could be called indie release as Remedy is acting as the publisher on Steam.

But with the changing gaming landscape I think this terminology is getting a bit outdated... And really doesn't make much difference."

Microsoft lied to you if they told you it was first party. For that game to be first party Epic has to be owned by Microsoft whilst Microsoft owning the IP. It's as simple as that. It's as simple as that. Theres no way around it, you can break up what I am writing all you want but the answer is really that simple. I don't want people being misinformed. Stop this bro.

This is a Michael Pachter talking about how Epic believes they made a big mistake signing a three game exclusivity contract when they could've gone multiplatform with Gears. If Epic wanted they could make Gears multiplatform next gen. Their contract allows Microsoft exclusivity of their IP for three games and then its over. They could go multiplatform with prequels for all they care even though at this point I don't think they should.

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/pachter-third-party-console-exclusives-will-disappear/

Really? Because at this stage I think we'd be more inclined to believe the first party and the developers over you.

No. For EPIC to be a first party developer, they would have to be owned by Microsoft. For Gears of War to be a first party game, it would need to be published by Microsoft. They all were.

Yet you yourself are admitting to spreading misinformation about exclusivity contracts? Why you do that?

It's interesting you say you don't want to spread misinformation, when you have blatantly made up the bolded. It isn't in that article anywhere at all...an article might I add is entirely the conjecture of an analyst.

Pachter : "I think that Microsoft has a contract to make sure that they get [Gears of War 3], but I think Epic regrets signing the contract,"

Not only conjecture , but WRONG conjecture.

 Mark Rein, VP at Epic Games :"Michael is wrong."

Yeah, I was Michael Pachter has meetings with Microsoft and Sony pre E3 and on their quarterly sales as well. I think he knows what first party is and who has control over their own product. Microsoft doesn't own the IP and it wasn't internally made by them or any team they own. The discussion in that was about third party exclusives and how they are running dry. Michael Pachter was talking about the sales multiplatform games are getting now and the regrets Epic might have had pertaining to the exclusivity of Gears when they could've made more on all platforms. Microsoft paid for the games to be exclusive, thats the point. Microsoft also paid Silicon Knights a three game contract to make Too Human for them, but I guess you would call that first party as well right?  Mass Effect's console exclusivity was paid for by Microsoft so Mass Effect was exclusive to the 360 on consoles; however, EA now owns them and made the games multiplatform.

not yet

This is exactly the reason why Microsoft have annoyed me this gen. They launched so well with a line-up that included loads of different genres I liked - Amped 3 for a sports game, PGR3 for an arcadey racer, Kameo for a decent adventure game. They supplemented these a bit later on with stuff like Banjo-Kazooie for a platformer (ish).

And now they just seem to be reverting back into 'safe' mode. Shooting games and Kinect stuff. If that's what works for the majority of Xbox consumers, fair enough, but it's never going to be enough to draw in someone like me - I like variety, and I'm honestly not that big a fan of shooting games in the first place.

But anyway, I'm getting off topic. I hope this is the game that all the Xbox players have been waiting for.

And who knows, maybe next generation the tables will have turned - MS seem to have opened quite a few new studios (Vancouver, Victoria & Soho) recently to develop new IP's. Maybe they are going down the Sony route of developing lots of different first-party stuff, and I really hope they are because that would be truly awesome to see!.