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Was the Wii a fad?

Yes 131 38.76%
 
No 152 44.97%
 
Irrevelant, next-gen is coming 28 8.28%
 
see results 26 7.69%
 
Total:337
Mazty on 11 May 2012
sensebringer said:

After I prove you wrong with the Super Mario Bros. and Mario Kart  numbers the only one that needs to bow out with some grace is you. You lost this debate almost 50 posts ago.

You pointed out casual games....My point has always been the Wii is for casual gamers and therefore it's a fad...Pointing out it sells casual games reinforces my point...You're just having a tantrum that what you thought was a hole in one has actually helped back my point up...Mario Kart and NSMB Wii are not core games because they are staggeringly simple. 



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Metallicube on 11 May 2012

Is it 2006?



sensebringer on 11 May 2012
Mazty said:
sensebringer said:

After I prove you wrong with the Super Mario Bros. and Mario Kart  numbers the only one that needs to bow out with some grace is you. You lost this debate almost 50 posts ago.

You pointed out casual games....My point has always been the Wii is for casual gamers and therefore it's a fad...Pointing out it sells casual games reinforces my point...You're just having a tantrum that what you thought was a hole in one has actually helped back my point up...Mario Kart and NSMB Wii are not core games because they are staggeringly simple. 

In the eyes of everyone around here I have prove my point and you are wrong. You can twist it all you want. Everybody knows you are wrong. Let it go.



Mazty on 11 May 2012
d21lewis said:
Mazty said:
d21lewis said:
Mazty said:
 

Oh I know they exist, razer have made one, but they aren't exactly flying off of shelves...at all. 


But they exist, right?

And they have been a staggering failure, and therefore shown to be a fad...

You asked why weren't they available for PC.  I showed you that they were.

You said Wii games didn't sell well unless they were bundled.  Sensebringer showed you that they did.

I don't know what else you want from us......and I'm tired.  We'll just agree to disagree.  I enjoyed it, though.  I've missed stuff like this on this site.  Take care, man.

Does no one on this site know how debates work? Jees. Proving a point wrong doesn't mean an argument is instantly rendered useless. 
If you can't keep up, stay away:

Original point:
Wii is a fad because the Wii hasn't sold many core games & only sells vast numbers of games via bundles
Refined point:
Wii is a fad because the Wii hasn't sold many core games  <- large volumes of casual games shifted doesn't dissprove this...

My point about mentioning the controls for PC was that if motion controls were not a fad, they would be common place on PC. Saying theyexist doesn't mean anything other then they exist. They still are not popular on PC, showing that many, many gamers do not believe they offer a better gaming experience. Therefore my point about motion controls being a fad is still relevant. 

Maybe I just am expecting too much from a clearly non-academic crowd.



Metallicube on 11 May 2012
Mazty said:
sensebringer said:

After I prove you wrong with the Super Mario Bros. and Mario Kart  numbers the only one that needs to bow out with some grace is you. You lost this debate almost 50 posts ago.

You pointed out casual games....My point has always been the Wii is for casual gamers and therefore it's a fad...Pointing out it sells casual games reinforces my point...You're just having a tantrum that what you thought was a hole in one has actually helped back my point up...Mario Kart and NSMB Wii are not core games because they are staggeringly simple. 


Wrong.

These interactive movies that pass for "games" that permeate the HD consoles these days are staggeringly simple. Many of them are so linear and limited in gameplay that the developers are essentially holding your hand from beginning to end.

Here's the basic formula: Press a to attack! Now move forward to the next corridor... Now watch our awesome cutscene! Rinse and repeat.

Ever try playing NSMB with 4 players? It's VERY difficult, as everyone gets in eachothers way and you must rely on precision and fast reflexes. Ever try the secret levels? They're brutally insane, especially if you are trying to get all the coins. Calling classic 2D Mario "casual" is an absolute travety and it shows the sad state gaming is currently in..

NSMB, along with Mario Kart is the way games should be. Just pure gameplay, no BS cutscenes, tutorials, countless dialouge, and all that extra fluff.  Funny how the definition of "casual" and "hardcore" are essentially reversed of what they should be..



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Mazty on 11 May 2012
sensebringer said:
Mazty said:
sensebringer said:

After I prove you wrong with the Super Mario Bros. and Mario Kart  numbers the only one that needs to bow out with some grace is you. You lost this debate almost 50 posts ago.

You pointed out casual games....My point has always been the Wii is for casual gamers and therefore it's a fad...Pointing out it sells casual games reinforces my point...You're just having a tantrum that what you thought was a hole in one has actually helped back my point up...Mario Kart and NSMB Wii are not core games because they are staggeringly simple. 

In the eyes of everyone around here I have prove my point and you are wrong. You can twist it all you want. Everybody knows you are wrong. Let it go.

Please, explain how I am wrong. Explain how showing a console sells a lot of casual games whilst not selling many core games means it is clearly a console for core gamers.



archbrix on 11 May 2012
Mazty said:
archbrix said:
Mazty said:

Find me a bowling core game...I haven't mentioned any dislike for wii games,  so stop with the strawmen.
Considering the wii offers high latency, inaccurate controls, I'd prefer to stick to a pad thanks. If motion controls are so big, where are they for the PC?  

There is no strawman:  The fact that a bowling game would have to somehow be a core game in order to constitute as a "real" game in your eyes says it all.

And I'm not contesting, nor am I interested in which control type you personally prefer.  The idea that motion controls aren't at all beneficial to some game types or some people just because you personally don't like them or because they don't come standard with PCs is highly erroneous.

1.  Your strawman retort is once again a strawman. My point is the wii is a fad as it's not made for core gamers, shown by a lack of core game sales for the console. 

2.  If you are a core gamer then you will know that to move a stick 1/4 inch is faster then waving your arm, as well as having lower latency. No core gamer will choose to have slower controls, only people who don't really care about the game would make such a choice,.

3.  If motion controls are the next big thing for gaming, why are they not available on the PC? It's not erroneous, it's a relevant market observation. 

1.  Are you aware of what "strawman" means?  Your point fails because you declare something that's not made for "core" gamers a fad, which is ridiculous.  Simple as that.  And I'm not even talking about the Wii itself as a console being a fad or not; it's your logic in general that is ludicrous.  Touch-screen gaming isn't aimed at "core" gamers either, but nobody in their right mind would call it a fad.

2.  Your second paragraph is also heavily flawed because you're associating intuitiveness with inaccuracy.  You may not find motion controls accurate enough for your tastes, and I'll be the first to admit that forcing them where they don't belong is an abysmal design choice, but in a game like Wii Sports they are highly intuitive, and frankly, can make the game enjoyable to many people who wouldn't find it appealing otherwise.  It's clear that the majority of football fans prefer a control pad for Madden, but for Tiger Woods, it's a different story.  Don't relegate motion control to something "only people who don't really care about the game" would choose. 

3.  I already addressed your "PC standard" as erroneous, because it is, but apparently I need to explain it further.  The vast majority of PCs sold to consumers are not primarily for gaming.  Obviously with game consoles, the opposite is true.  So making the PC a metric by which to gauge "the next big thing for gaming" is again, erroneous.  If it were true, all game consoles would come standard with a mouse and keyboard. 



sensebringer on 11 May 2012
Mazty said:
sensebringer said:
Mazty said:
sensebringer said:

After I prove you wrong with the Super Mario Bros. and Mario Kart  numbers the only one that needs to bow out with some grace is you. You lost this debate almost 50 posts ago.

You pointed out casual games....My point has always been the Wii is for casual gamers and therefore it's a fad...Pointing out it sells casual games reinforces my point...You're just having a tantrum that what you thought was a hole in one has actually helped back my point up...Mario Kart and NSMB Wii are not core games because they are staggeringly simple. 

In the eyes of everyone around here I have prove my point and you are wrong. You can twist it all you want. Everybody knows you are wrong. Let it go.

Please, explain how I am wrong. Explain how showing a console sells a lot of casual games whilst not selling many core games means it is clearly a console for core gamers.

For someone with such a high academic level you lack reading skills.

When did I said that the Wii was or was not a console for gamers?

You said that games like New Super Mario bros. and Mario Kart Wii sold well because they where bundled. I prove you wrong on that point. Do you understand me now?

 



Mazty on 11 May 2012
Metallicube said:
Mazty said:
sensebringer said:

After I prove you wrong with the Super Mario Bros. and Mario Kart  numbers the only one that needs to bow out with some grace is you. You lost this debate almost 50 posts ago.

You pointed out casual games....My point has always been the Wii is for casual gamers and therefore it's a fad...Pointing out it sells casual games reinforces my point...You're just having a tantrum that what you thought was a hole in one has actually helped back my point up...Mario Kart and NSMB Wii are not core games because they are staggeringly simple. 


Wrong.

These interactive movies that pass for "games" that permeate the HD consoles these days are staggeringly simple. Many of them are so linear and limited in gameplay you essentially have your hand held from beginning to end.

Here's the basic formula: Press a to attack! Now move forward to the next corridor... Now watch our awesome cutscene! Rinse and repeat.

Ever try playing NSMB with 4 players? It's VERY difficult, as everyone gets in eachothers way and you must rely on precision and fast reflexes. Ever try the secret levels? They're brutally insane, especially if you are trying to get all the coins. Calling classic 2D Mario "casual" is an absolute travety and it shows the sad state gaming is currently in..

NSMB, along with Mario Kart is the way games should be. Just pure gameplay, no BS cutscenes, tutorials, countless dialouge, and all that extra fluff.  Funny how the definition of "casual" and "hardcore" are essentially reversed of what they should be..

Try playing on something other than "easy". Claiming all games are corridor crawls ladden with cut scenes is just rediculous. Go play Mirror's Edge. Go play Metro 2033. Go play Medal of Honor online. Go play Dawn of War II. 

NSMB is only difficult because of poor game design. LBP works well with 4 players because of a larger resolution. NSMB works with 4 players if you work in an annoyingly slow unison. Calling 2D mario casual shows how gaming has advanced and how some people aren't stuck in the past. Go tell a pro CS:S player that if he wants a challenge he should whip out a SNES.

Nario Kart is as good as broken. Incredibly strong rubber banding and a blueshell metagame. It's a complete joke. Mario karts is casual because a hardcore player can have never played it before, and after a few runs essentially break the game through it's own dated mechanics. 



Mazty on 11 May 2012
sensebringer said:
Mazty said:
sensebringer said:
Mazty said:
sensebringer said:

After I prove you wrong with the Super Mario Bros. and Mario Kart  numbers the only one that needs to bow out with some grace is you. You lost this debate almost 50 posts ago.

You pointed out casual games....My point has always been the Wii is for casual gamers and therefore it's a fad...Pointing out it sells casual games reinforces my point...You're just having a tantrum that what you thought was a hole in one has actually helped back my point up...Mario Kart and NSMB Wii are not core games because they are staggeringly simple. 

In the eyes of everyone around here I have prove my point and you are wrong. You can twist it all you want. Everybody knows you are wrong. Let it go.

Please, explain how I am wrong. Explain how showing a console sells a lot of casual games whilst not selling many core games means it is clearly a console for core gamers.

For someone with such a high academic level you lack reading skills.

When did I said that the Wii was or was not a console for gamers?

You said that games like New Super Mario bros. and Mario Kart Wii sold well because they where bundled. I prove you wrong on that point. Do you understand me now?

 

And after you said that I never denied it. What I did say was that showing those games sold without the need for bundles didn't change the crux of my point; that the wii is for casual gamers. Seriously? Have you really been getting pissy over something I never said?