Can he set a limit on his power and then remove it? If so then he never set a limit on his power and so cannot do anything, if not then there was something he could not do. Either way he does not have omnipotence.

This was an argument I stumbled on years ago. 

Simply put it to this. 

"Is God capable of being incapable?" If God is capable of being incapable, it means that He is incapable, because He has the potential to not be able to do something. Conversely, if God is incapable of being incapable, then the two inabilities cancel each other out, making God have the capability to do something.

So what you're saying is that god does not have the capability to limit his own power?

There are possible answers to that question but it would take me too long to answer that lol. 

I guess God's omnipotence is what you can make out of it. 

This argument ended the same way years ago aswell. 

Ok, I got it.  The purpose of this thread is to set up an argument against religion, where you get to shell religion from a high distance with artillery barrages, because you want to deconvert people.  It is NOT about discussing any issues that connect with it that may validate or invalidate it, like whether determinism is valid or not, or whether or not ethics exists in regards to whether or not sin exists.  You just aren't comfortable with this at all.  You just want to monologue against religion, and everything associated with it, because you are on a crusade to deconvert people.  It is your agenda piece, with in the end, you have the desire to change minds on gay marriage, as your main goal.

In short, you really need to get a blog somewhere and don't allow people to post comments.  You show little interest or regard in discussing anything.  And reading your little post on foreknowledge = lack of free will, doesn't have anything to do with morals or ethics at all.  What I can conclude is you have an agenda to shell Abrahamic religions, using this forum.  You have made up your mind that it makes no sense, and nothing to you will change it.  Saying it makes no sense has nothing to do with whether or not it makes sense, but merely is a salvo shell being fired from a position you don't want to be challenged or attacked.

The thrust?  You have made up your mind, and are as narrow minded as religious folks.  Difference is that you really don't have anything to offer humanity in your narrowmindeness.  At least from religion I got a few bucks that helped me keep my car on the road.

Well, aside from the obvious flaws in your logic, I see that you keep saying there is a god, which mean you are not an athiest. And if you are, claiming that religion is folly, is just plain ignorant since athieism is, in fact, a religion per Websters dictionary. 

Anyway, more to the point of your OP, and your quoted post, God, as Christians believe him to be, does not "predict" anything, he knows it. Now, I'm a father of three, and as a parent, I understand how this works more than I ever did before I was a parent. You see, God gave us free will, the ability to think independantly, to make our own choices, we are not just another animal roaming this planet, this is why we as a species are so much more "evolved" than any other species on the planet. God knows what our choices and actions will be, but does not intervene because he gave us that free will. That free will is what allows us as humans to grow, to learn what we can and can't do. It is how each of us is able to "grow" as an indivual because every choice has consequences either good or bad, and it is by those consequences that we become a stronger, better person. Now, if I look at this as a parent, I see my oldest. I tell her to clean her toys up, I know that she won't, but because I want her to grow as a person I don't hold her hand and force her to clean up her toys. When she doesn't clean up her toys, she gets a punishment. After a while of doing this, she begins to learn that if she cleans up her toys, she won't get in trouble. If I held her hand and forced her to clean up the toys, she would never learn to do it herself, thus she would, in effect, be a drone. 

Flaws in my logic? Please do elaborate.

I don't think that there is a God, but kept assuming that there is for the sake of argumentation. And I used the word predict since God can predict everything flawlessly, which is the exact same as knowing. He flawlessly knows everything that will happen because He can predict it.

Bolded: I beg to differ. Many times has God intervened with our free will. Jesus is a great example of this; Were it not for Jesus, lots of people would have acted differently today, effectively affecting our free will. God knew whta would happen if He would not have sent Jesus to Earth, but decided to do so in order to make us make different decision (for the better) throughout our lifetimes. And then there is the Noah's Ark story which Whiplash brought up earlier where God punished the humans for their decisions even before they had their chance to change their mind and ask for forgiveness. Even worse: God knew that he would drown those people before He created them, so why would He create life if it would just end up in pain for the individual and everyone surrounding it?

In fact, all Abrahamic religions fall prey to that lack of logic. Why create humans in the first place if you knew exactly which one would end up in heaven and which ones would end up in hell even before creating them? Why create life that is destined to live an ethernity in hell? God is responsible for their misery, He created them, and knew where they would end up. He also know where you and your daughter will end up once you die, and your free will cannot affect that knowlegde as it is determined by God.

Instead of thanking God for His support (which people who are born in Africa and who keeps stealing things cannot do), you should be glad that you are living the fortunate life that you are living instead of being born to simply go to hell. Be aware that the underlined in your quote box also functions as evidence that everything is determined.

(To everyone; I'm glad that we've been back on topic lately.)

Did you read the Bible?

That part, yes. God drowned nearly every human on Earth before they had lived their entire lives. That is interference.

Yes, it is very much interferring. However, did you ever take in to account that the people themselves, with their free willed descision chose to laugh, mock and shrug Noah's descision to listen to God? With all the warnings? Didnt they have a choice to follow Noah's warnings? 

You should also take into account that much of the earliest stories of the new testament were passed on for tens of thousands of years through the mouth. These stories could have been accurate ,however, did you really think a snake really talked? Or was it the use of symbolism? 

The snake, back then and I think still is now, is a symbol of evil. So you probably get the picture. 

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"In fact, all Abrahamic religions fall prey to that lack of logic. Why create humans in the first place if you knew exactly which one would end up in heaven and which ones would end up in hell even before creating them? Why create life that is destined to live an ethernity in hell? God is responsible for their misery, He created them, and knew where they would end up. He also know where you and your daughter will end up once you die, and your free will cannot affect that knowlegde as it is determined by God."

Remmember the long argument we had earlier? Did you learn anything about that? How free will and the almighty God can co-exist? Because this whole section that you just wrote seemed like we never talked about anything at all. 

Dont tell me I just wasted my time.