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IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
Wh1pL4shL1ve_007 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Flaws in my logic? Please do elaborate.

How could you not understand that I don't think that there is a God, but kept assuming that there is for the sake of argumentation? And I used the word predict since God can predict everything flawlessly, which is the exact same as knowing. He flawlessly knows everything that will happen because He can predict it.

Bolded: I beg to differ. Many times has God intervened with our free will. Jesus is a great example of this; Were it not for Jesus, lots of people would have acted differently today, effectively affecting our free will. God knew whta would happen if He would not have sent Jesus to Earth, but decided to do so in order to make us make different decision (for the better) throughout our lifetimes. And then there is the Noah's Ark story which Whiplash brought up earlier where God punished the humans for their decisions even before they had their chance to change their mind and ask for forgiveness. Even worse: God knew that he would drown those people before He created them, so why would He create life if it would just end up in pain for the individual and everyone surrounding it?

In fact, all Abrahamic religions fall prey to that lack of logic. Why create humans in the first place if you knew exactly which one would end up in heaven and which ones would end up in hell even before creating them? Why create life that is destined to live an ethernity in hell? God is responsible for their misery, He created them, and knew where they would end up. He also know where you and your daughter will end up once you die, and your free will cannot affect that knowlegde as it is determined by God.

Instead of thanking God for His support (which people who are born in Africa and who keeps stealing things cannot do), you should be glad that you are living the fortunate life that you are living instead of being born to simply go to hell. Be aware that the underlined in your quote box also functions as evidence that everything is determined.

(To everyone; I'm glad that we've been back on topic lately.)


Did you read the Bible?


That part, yes. God drowned nearly every human on Earth before they had lived their entire lives. That is interfering.

Yes, it is very much interferring. However, did you ever take in to account that the people themselves, with their free willed descision chose to laugh, mock and shrug Noah's descision to listen to God? With all the warnings? Didnt they have a choice to follow Noah's warnings? 

You should also take into account that much of the earliest stories of the new testament were passed on for tens of thousands of years through the mouth. These stories could have been accurate ,however, did you really think a snake really talked? Or was it the use of symbolism? 

The snake, back then and I think still is now, is a symbol of evil. So you probably get the picture. 

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"In fact, all Abrahamic religions fall prey to that lack of logic. Why create humans in the first place if you knew exactly which one would end up in heaven and which ones would end up in hell even before creating them? Why create life that is destined to live an ethernity in hell? God is responsible for their misery, He created them, and knew where they would end up. He also know where you and your daughter will end up once you die, and your free will cannot affect that knowlegde as it is determined by God."

Remmember the long argument we had earlier? Did you learn anything about that? How free will and the almighty God can co-exist? Because this whole section that you just wrote seemed like we never talked about anything at all. 

Dont tell me I just wasted my time. 



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