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On  another note, I feel that the Farnsworth Paradox fits this thread, for some reason:



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Max King of the Wild said:
there are actually quite a few theories on this that actually make some sense. Both on natural evil and what causes it and the abilities of God. You should go look them up instead of posting on here because I doubt there are any theist doctors on this site.

This, and why are there so many threads on these subjects.

These threads seem to be an accepted form of trolling the religious.

This is a gaming website.



dr3b said:
Max King of the Wild said:
there are actually quite a few theories on this that actually make some sense. Both on natural evil and what causes it and the abilities of God. You should go look them up instead of posting on here because I doubt there are any theist doctors on this site.

This, and why are there so many threads on these subjects.

These threads seem to be an accepted form of trolling the religious.

This is a gaming website.

... With a general discussion forum for things like this.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

God is almighty, and He has every single ability that one may think of. This obviously includes the ablity to see the future, to flawlessly predict everything that will happen in this universe. God is aware of everything.

This makes you wonder though: If God really is almighty, then doesn't He already know who will end up in heaven and who will end up in hell? Would He not be able to predict every single good deed and sin that you will commit throughout your life, even before you were born? I mean, how could He not know?

As I see it, God is currently watching us go through happiness and misery just for the hell of it. He knows exactly how evil will affect all humans involved and He has the ability to stop it. He already knows how every single human will use their free (yet, by God, predictable) will, so it's not up to us to do anything about our situation.

 

Our fate is in God's hands. Period.

I think it's more than a little presumptuous to write off other's faiths so casually.  Who cares what your religion is as long as you live an honest and virtuous life?  It's not up to you to decide whether or not Abrahamic religions make "sense" or not, it is up to the people who belong to those religions to be good stewards of their faith and be dutiful to society.



 

True enough, and I have no problem with people asking questions etc. I am not even a very religious person at all, not sure what I believe. I just think that respect should be give to all groups regardless of whether you agree with them or not.Sometimes that isn't the case for those with religious beliefs for reasons I completly understand, as some religious people don't extend the same courtesy.

I usually tend to stay away from these threads anyway, there really isn't any convincing either side.



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dr3b said:

True enough, and I have no problem with people asking questions etc. I am not even a very religious person at all, not sure what I believe. I just think that respect should be give to all groups regardless of whether you agree with them or not.Sometimes that isn't the case for those with religious beliefs for reasons I completly understand, as some religious people don't extend the same courtesy.

I usually tend to stay away from these threads anyway, there really isn't any convincing either side.




appolose said:

With free will, you can still only pick one thing to do. As you are certainly going to pick one thing to do, your future will consist of that choice: "I AM going to stand up in a moment." You cannot choose not to do what you are going to choose to do; that is illogical. That is to say, whatever it is I will be doing will be that which I choose to do. It is not the future that determines your actions, but the reverse. In an omniscient God's case, it's the same thing. Its not that what He knows is what we will do, but rather that what we do makes what He knows.


How does he not know what we will do? Is he, in fact, not almighty?

God knows everything, remember?



sperrico87 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

God is almighty, and He has every single ability that one may think of. This obviously includes the ablity to see the future, to flawlessly predict everything that will happen in this universe. God is aware of everything.

This makes you wonder though: If God really is almighty, then doesn't He already know who will end up in heaven and who will end up in hell? Would He not be able to predict every single good deed and sin that you will commit throughout your life, even before you were born? I mean, how could He not know?

As I see it, God is currently watching us go through happiness and misery just for the hell of it. He knows exactly how evil will affect all humans involved and He has the ability to stop it. He already knows how every single human will use their free (yet, by God, predictable) will, so it's not up to us to do anything about our situation.

 

Our fate is in God's hands. Period.

I think it's more than a little presumptuous to write off other's faiths so casually.  Who cares what your religion is as long as you live an honest and virtuous life?  It's not up to you to decide whether or not Abrahamic religions make "sense" or not, it is up to the people who belong to those religions to be good stewards of their faith and be dutiful to society.


I know I don't care, but not every religious person do live an honest and virtous life. The main point of all my religious threads is to make people understand that sins do not exist. Murder is wrong, stealing is wrong, being homosexual is not wrong, sex before marriage is not wrong, education based on unproven beliefs such as creationism is wrong. I don't mind spiritual thinking, as long as it doesn't contain a law book with bullshit laws. People are falling victum every day because of certain religious movements (note: I'm definitely not talking about every religious person here, but the ones who oppose gay marriage or approve of cutting babies skin without asking them, and so on)

I am inserting logic to a illogical way of thinking. And in a world such as the one we live in, a perfect deity is not logical. A heaven and hell cannot exist if God is almighty.



NobleTeam360 said:
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

But God already knows about everything that you will choose before you are born. So what is the purpose of hell? Did God just create a few humans that are destined to commit sins and go there once they die? It makes no sense.

We are God's slaves.


LOL you keep saying the same thing over and over.


That's because people won't listen. The answer is clearly stated in the OP but they just keep asking more questions.

And saying "LOL" won't add anything positive to the discussion. If you have nothing to add, then don't add anything.



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
appolose said:

With free will, you can still only pick one thing to do. As you are certainly going to pick one thing to do, your future will consist of that choice: "I AM going to stand up in a moment." You cannot choose not to do what you are going to choose to do; that is illogical. That is to say, whatever it is I will be doing will be that which I choose to do. It is not the future that determines your actions, but the reverse. In an omniscient God's case, it's the same thing. Its not that what He knows is what we will do, but rather that what we do makes what He knows.


How does he not know what we will do? Is he, in fact, not almighty?

God knows everything, remember?

I didn't say He didn't know, I said our future  choices would be what make His knowledge.  That is to say, if there was a god who was not omniscient that made a universe in which free will existed, that universe would arrive at some particular state after some time as everyone continued to make their choices. Now, suppose instead the creator god was omniscient, but made the universe the same way as in the first case.  Once again, that universe arrives at the same state the first one did.  Adding omniscience changed nothing ( I posit).



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