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DepthAlly on 03 May 2012
Kasz216 said:
DepthAlly said:
Kasz216 said:
DepthAlly said:


Not exactly. FF has changed quite a bit over it's iterations.

Not... reallly. 1-like.... 10 were nearly the same combat wise with minor tweaks.... and the newest changes weren't even that drastic.

and in general hold REALLY similar story structures and themes.

Final Fantasy RPGs are a lot like Zombie movies.  You know what to get out of 80% of it.


Nah. The changes they made to combat and character progression and some other mechanics throughout the first ten changed enough to make them play differently.

And of course the themes were similar, for the most part. It's what makes them an FF.

Not in comparison to the wide breath of other RPGS, just how Zombie movies all have their intracies, and differences (Fast zombie, slow zombie, goal of the survivors) but they're all really similar.


Well, I don't want this to become something that goes nowhere. Let's just disagree.



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crissindahouse on 03 May 2012

@mnementh

i believe "das schwarze auge: die schicksalsklinge" was my first rpg i ever played :)



Kasz216 on 03 May 2012
DepthAlly said:
Kasz216 said:
DepthAlly said:
Kasz216 said:
DepthAlly said:


Not exactly. FF has changed quite a bit over it's iterations.

Not... reallly. 1-like.... 10 were nearly the same combat wise with minor tweaks.... and the newest changes weren't even that drastic.

and in general hold REALLY similar story structures and themes.

Final Fantasy RPGs are a lot like Zombie movies.  You know what to get out of 80% of it.


Nah. The changes they made to combat and character progression and some other mechanics throughout the first ten changed enough to make them play differently.

And of course the themes were similar, for the most part. It's what makes them an FF.

Not in comparison to the wide breath of other RPGS, just how Zombie movies all have their intracies, and differences (Fast zombie, slow zombie, goal of the survivors) but they're all really similar.


Well, I don't want this to become something that goes nowhere. Let's just disagree.

We can disagree... but I can't  see how you can actually hold such an opinion.  I mean it's the same story themes, and the battle system has been all ATB.  Even the modern 13 battlesystem is just a tweak of ATB.

Same attacks, same spells, same... everything. 

 

It's like a D20 Pen and Paper RPG.  They all have their tweaks, but if you perfer something like GURPS, you just arne't gonna be a fan of D20.



Final-Fan on 03 May 2012
Kasz216 said:

We can disagree... but I can't  see how you can actually hold such an opinion.  I mean it's the same story themes, and the battle system has been all ATB.  Even the modern 13 battlesystem is just a tweak of ATB.

Same attacks, same spells, same... everything. 

It's like a D20 Pen and Paper RPG.  They all have their tweaks, but if you perfer something like GURPS, you just arne't gonna be a fan of D20.

Ah, but how do you GET the spells?  It's different in most of the games.  And what about summons?  You say the series is fundamentally the same since FF1, but didn't sumons only first exist in the game in FF4?   (Otherwise FF3?)  And I would also disagree that the story is always similar, I mean how if FF6's story similar to FF8? 



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DepthAlly on 03 May 2012
Kasz216 said:
DepthAlly said:
Kasz216 said:
DepthAlly said:
Kasz216 said:
DepthAlly said:


Not exactly. FF has changed quite a bit over it's iterations.

Not... reallly. 1-like.... 10 were nearly the same combat wise with minor tweaks.... and the newest changes weren't even that drastic.

and in general hold REALLY similar story structures and themes.

Final Fantasy RPGs are a lot like Zombie movies.  You know what to get out of 80% of it.


Nah. The changes they made to combat and character progression and some other mechanics throughout the first ten changed enough to make them play differently.

And of course the themes were similar, for the most part. It's what makes them an FF.

Not in comparison to the wide breath of other RPGS, just how Zombie movies all have their intracies, and differences (Fast zombie, slow zombie, goal of the survivors) but they're all really similar.


Well, I don't want this to become something that goes nowhere. Let's just disagree.

We can disagree... but I can't  see how you can actually hold such an opinion.  I mean it's the same story themes, and the battle system has been all ATB.  Even the modern 13 battlesystem is just a tweak of ATB.

Same attacks, same spells, same... everything. 

 

It's like a D20 Pen and Paper RPG.  They all have their tweaks, but if you perfer something like GURPS, you just arne't gonna be a fan of D20.

Well no it's more than tweaks and the ATB battle system wasn't always there.



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Kasz216 on 03 May 2012
DepthAlly said:
Kasz216 said:
DepthAlly said:
Kasz216 said:
DepthAlly said:
Kasz216 said:
DepthAlly said:


Not exactly. FF has changed quite a bit over it's iterations.

Not... reallly. 1-like.... 10 were nearly the same combat wise with minor tweaks.... and the newest changes weren't even that drastic.

and in general hold REALLY similar story structures and themes.

Final Fantasy RPGs are a lot like Zombie movies.  You know what to get out of 80% of it.


Nah. The changes they made to combat and character progression and some other mechanics throughout the first ten changed enough to make them play differently.

And of course the themes were similar, for the most part. It's what makes them an FF.

Not in comparison to the wide breath of other RPGS, just how Zombie movies all have their intracies, and differences (Fast zombie, slow zombie, goal of the survivors) but they're all really similar.


Well, I don't want this to become something that goes nowhere. Let's just disagree.

We can disagree... but I can't  see how you can actually hold such an opinion.  I mean it's the same story themes, and the battle system has been all ATB.  Even the modern 13 battlesystem is just a tweak of ATB.

Same attacks, same spells, same... everything. 

 

It's like a D20 Pen and Paper RPG.  They all have their tweaks, but if you perfer something like GURPS, you just arne't gonna be a fan of D20.

Well no it's more than tweaks and the ATB battle system wasn't always there.


It was there since 4.  Argeuablly sooner... when you consider how battle order was decided before then... ATB itself was really just a tweak and no.  It really was just minor tweaks, espiecally in the grand scheme of things.  I know, having played Final Fantasy games from the very start.   You can more or less sum up the battle differences in each FF in one word.

FF4 didn't really play much different from FF1 at all really.  The biggest actual difference was the waffling from letting players decide what role each character makes.  Starting with the job system...  Even that didn't really change that much.



DepthAlly on 03 May 2012
Kasz216 said:
DepthAlly said:
Kasz216 said:
DepthAlly said:
Kasz216 said:
DepthAlly said:
Kasz216 said:
DepthAlly said:


Not exactly. FF has changed quite a bit over it's iterations.

Not... reallly. 1-like.... 10 were nearly the same combat wise with minor tweaks.... and the newest changes weren't even that drastic.

and in general hold REALLY similar story structures and themes.

Final Fantasy RPGs are a lot like Zombie movies.  You know what to get out of 80% of it.


Nah. The changes they made to combat and character progression and some other mechanics throughout the first ten changed enough to make them play differently.

And of course the themes were similar, for the most part. It's what makes them an FF.

Not in comparison to the wide breath of other RPGS, just how Zombie movies all have their intracies, and differences (Fast zombie, slow zombie, goal of the survivors) but they're all really similar.


Well, I don't want this to become something that goes nowhere. Let's just disagree.

We can disagree... but I can't  see how you can actually hold such an opinion.  I mean it's the same story themes, and the battle system has been all ATB.  Even the modern 13 battlesystem is just a tweak of ATB.

Same attacks, same spells, same... everything. 

 

It's like a D20 Pen and Paper RPG.  They all have their tweaks, but if you perfer something like GURPS, you just arne't gonna be a fan of D20.

Well no it's more than tweaks and the ATB battle system wasn't always there.


It was there since 4.  Argeuablly sooner... when you consider how battle order was decided before then... ATB itself was really just a tweak and no.  It really was just minor tweaks, espiecally in the grand scheme of things.  I know, having played Final Fantasy games from the very start.   You can more or less sum up the battle differences in each FF in one word.

FF4 didn't really play much different from FF1 at all really.  The biggest actual difference was the waffling from letting players decide what role each character makes.  Starting with the job system...  Even that didn't really change that much.


This is hopeless. Let's just stop, please.



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happydolphin on 03 May 2012
DepthAlly said:

This is hopeless. Let's just stop, please.

While we're there, guys, can we keep the quote trees trimmed? I know you guys hate when I ask this, but it really makes it a drag to follow a convo when the quote trees take up the whole screen.

Just asking nicely.



DepthAlly on 03 May 2012
happydolphin said:

While we're there, guys, can we keep the quote trees trimmed? I know you guys hate when I ask this, but it really makes it a drag to follow a convo when the quote trees take up the whole screen.

Just asking nicely.


Fair enough.I usually remove some of the quotes, but I tend forget some times.



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